Cooky
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It's also not normal to think that way. My posts are more directed towards what should be sane people in positions of authority, (i.e.) store managers, police, judges, etc.
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Oh, that poor "deprived" and "abused" Walmart corporation!
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It's also not normal to think that way. My posts are more directed towards what should be sane people in positions of authority, (i.e.) store managers, police, judges, etc.
Even if people might have it good, then they're likely to complain about any policy or proposal which could change that situation and make it not so good.
In the context of America today, a lot of people might speak fondly of what we might call "the good old days" when America was still great. Then, things started to go downhill and we didn't seem quite so great anymore. Then someone came along and promised to make America great again, just like it used to be back in the good old days.
The good old days weren't all that great.
And they often don't appreciate advances which they now
take for granted. So they tend to focus upon what they
don't like.
Yes. I have read much of history where your extreme solution was so useful. It helped start WW1, heralding four years of destructive war and the deaths of 20 million people. So wonderful, this final solution.
Looking back when I was a kid, things were great. I did not have full knowledge of the world around me, I was white, I had limited worries and responsibilities, I did not understand what war was, etc., etc. What a cherry orchard of wonderful memories.
SugarOcean
¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
That's foolish. We all know about this man due to the OP bringing him to our attention.
And make no mistake, I didn't indict him. The legal system did.
You answer, so what, when it is pointed out the man described in the OP is a thief?
If you're ever robbed don't complain or prosecute. Then you'll actually walk your talk here.
Maybe people should look at the positive side of things. Medical advances that give longer and better lives that our ancestors could not even dream about. Technology that lets me talk to people I am thousands of miles away from. Massive amounts of information that are at my fingertips 24/7. The ability to safely communicate with people that passionately hold views contrary to mine or so passionately, that I might not be safe in the same room with them merely because I have a different view.
In 1347, a disease wiped out so many people we can only estimate the number. It could have been as much as 200 million people and about 45% of the total human population. In 1918, another pandemic took out possibly another 100 million people or between 5 and 6% of the world population. Then there is WWI at 20 million people and WWII at 85 million people, one percent and six percent of global population respectively. The past was so much better than it is today.
I think by now, most people know what I think of Trump and his b*****it. He says great again, but what he is really playing on are the fears of people that were in first place and now must share that position with others. To them, this seems like losing. Like things are not great anymore. I see Trump as another authoritarian that is filling a trough with lies that a scared bunch of people are happy to swill at. I am not sure why the theocrats love him so much. That's just nuts. Grabber Guy seems like the last person an identified Christian would turn to.
You cannot guarantee anything of the sort. All that you could guarantee is bloodshed. You have no idea what would rise up out of the ashes you created.
It is all about emotion. I do read these posts.
I bet the people that should be on your list would just grow and grow and for lesser and lesser offenses as time past. It would keep on growing until you felt satisfied that your authority was respected and feared and you felt you had sucked the will to retaliate right out of the masses.
I am not seeing a socialist like Christ here. You are more like Charles Manson.
Actually, that is the idea I wanted to convey.
I was thinking more of potential, but I do acknowledge a need for regulation. The depth and breadth of it can be a source of discussion and debate.
That is the problem in responding to an OP like the one on this thread. If you favor the just application of the law, people will use that as a false reason to claim that you are defending a giant corporation over poor people. I support the rule of law, but that is not absolving Walmart of some of the practices the company engages in. I sure would not advocate barbarism as an answer though.
That might be a money maker though. Business Gone Wild, Mardi Gras edition. Whoooo!
What if it was not Walmart? What if it was Mom and Pop Americamart? Mom and Pop work hard 70 hours a week each. Not counting time they work at home. They sacrifice. They make a descent, but not obscene living. They created jobs. They do their best to provide benefits. Little Stanley has worked his way up from bagger to cashier and is using his money to pay for school. Mom and Pop nearly broke their backs helping when their cashier Janette was diagnosed with breast cancer. They helped her family with expenses and household needs while she recovered. They employed her oldest boy as a stocker so that they could help respectfully. Her job was waiting when she was able to return to work.
Mom and Pop vote Republican. They're moderates. They attend church, but they are not zealots upholding some fallacious prosperity doctrine.
Should any of this make a difference in how laws are enforced? Please let me know where the line is on this. That is what I really want to know. Then we can start applying it to all laws, rules and regulations as each of us sees fit.
Well, as mentioned above, people complain about the possibility that they might lose the good life and the fact that they're currently well off. But there are still others who aren't quite so well off, even if they may not be living in the abject squalor existent in some other nations in this world.
And even as far as how we compare to other countries, even here on RF, we hear from people in other countries who say that their healthcare system is much better. I've often heard people say that our educational system is faltering and lagging behind that of other countries. Our standing in the world and our credit rating as a nation have diminished. We're falling deeper and deeper into debt.
We could even end up in a nuclear war. Then it'll be Planet of the Apes all over again.
You're asking me to come up with statistics on a Saturday afternoon? It's almost time for my nap.
Earlier you were talking about using "real world" examples, but I would prefer to look at American history and how our "capitalist" society was achieved in more real world terms. When the existence of the Americas became known to the Europeans, it began a series of events in which various nations and factions scrambled for control over what they saw as "open territory."
Some people saw America as a literal gold mine - and there was a good deal of arable land, forest land, furs, mineral resources. There was quite a lot of wealth just by happening to stumble on to a piece of land which was sparsely populated where the indigenous inhabitants did not have the means to defend themselves against people armed with the weapons they were manufacturing in Europe at the time.
Cotton was also a big source of wealth for many states - although the issue of slavery led to a sharp divide in America which culminated in the Civil War and has remained a volatile and prominent issue to this very day.
There were also competing economic systems in America at the time. The South was an agrarian, slave-based economy dependent upon a single commodity for its national income, relying solely on that and importing everything else. The North was more industrial and diversified - and very capitalistic, although perhaps more predatory and malignant back in those bad old days. They had child labor, sweatshops, horrid working conditions, people living in tenements, company stores. Even the Postbellum South had sharecropping and embraced many of the same practices of the North.
It wasn't really until the World Wars, particularly the time of FDR, that conditions in America reached anything to the more tolerable and relatively decent levels most of us have seen in our lifetimes today. That's when the labor movement and the civil rights movement had built up enough strength and support to start to come into their own. I would say that was more in spite of capitalism than because of it. That is, capitalism had to be restrained and follow a different set of rules than what they were previously used to.
In more recent decades, capitalists have complained that these restrictions, regulations, and other forms of interference from "big gov" have hurt them and hindered their ability to make enough profit. The voters have heard this and were persuaded to support politicians like Reagan and Bush, who were ardent capitalists and advocates of lower taxes, deregulation, getting big government off our backs. Down with socialism! Down with welfare, those lazy bums! No more revenuers!
So, when it looks like more people want to remove the restraints and regulations put upon capitalism to make it more socially responsible and a positive force towards the betterment of society, then people may begin to see it more and more as a negative force and react against it.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
I cannot remember the name of the guy that said this. Maybe a French philosopher. The gist of it was that the biggest drains on society are the very rich and the very poor. The very rich sequester resources and make them unavailable and the very poor require the consumption of resources to be maintained. I am not against ideas and practices that would reduce those drags, just not the wholesale swapping of one known system for some untried mechanism or doing it in a way that is such a gamble that another outcome entirely could arise unintentionally.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Do you understand that article? How did they "steal"?
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
The money belong to the family members
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Why? That makes no sense at all. Do you know who bought and paid for the policies? Do you know why they did so?
Cooky
Veteran Member
Target's no better. With returns, you now only get a small fraction of the value of the product returned. And without a receipt, you only get store credit for that small fraction.
There's no safe haven left.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Without the express permission and consent of the employee and their families. Employee were told to sign a piece of paper without reading or having a lawyer consult them about and then Walmart used that to take out dead peasant policies
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
What if the product is no good?
