But don't call them concentration camps

[Tumah]

The above sent to another.............

Tumah........... do I get the impression that you're pushing back?

It won't be long, Tumah. FGM is now written in to our legislation as a criminal offence. We jailed the first convict a few months ago, or so I remember. Boys could be protected next.

Pushing back against what?
GFM - Female Gential Mutilation???

I'm confused. I thought the topic of this thread was calling the environment in which illegals are being held "concentration camps".

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

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Pushing back against what?
GFM - Female Gential Mutilation???

I'm confused. I thought the topic of this thread was calling the environment in which illegals are being held "concentration camps".

*Children. Of undetermined immigration status. Not "illegals", however much such dehumanising terminology helps your conscience. You know, since you're not a fan of "black and white terminology" and all.

 

[Tumah]

Read the details in the OP, come back and tell me they're any level of humane.

Sure. Sleeping on cold concrete floors with pillows and blankets in cold weather in slightly crowded conditions. And no toothbrushes and soap.
People do this all the time as a recreational activity when they go camping or hunting. Your ancestors lived like this. There are people out in the world who still live like this. It's uncomfortable, but there's nothing inhumane about these conditions.

What is wrong, is that a First World country shouldn't be putting people in these conditions when it's within their power to grant them better a better environment. We are a community with a shared imperative to improve peoples' lives. It goes against our moral code to be the party responsible for worsening it. That's what makes it wrong. Not because this particular situation has reached an inhumane level, but because this is not what we as a First World community are about and this is not what we believe we should be doing.

If you care to produce a specific example of anything you think I said that is a strawman, I''ll happily defend it. I'm guessing you won't, though, because you can't.

Every post you responded to me with had a line where you describe my argument falsely.

 

[Tumah]

*Children. Of undetermined immigration status. Not "illegals", however much such dehumanising terminology helps your conscience. You know, since you're not a fan of "black and white terminology" and all.

So in your view, a person who has performed an illegal activity or is of illegal status is somehow less human? That's a rather odd view.
What does the fact that they are children have to do with anything? Can a child not be made to perform an illegal activity or be placed in a position of illegal status?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Every post you responded to me with had a line where you describe my argument falsely.

For example?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

So in your view, a person who has performed an illegal activity or is of illegal status is somehow less human? That's a rather odd view.
What does the fact that they are children have to do with anything? Can a child not be made to perform an illegal activity or be placed in a position of illegal status?

Now who's strawmanning?

 

[Tumah]

So in your view, a person who has performed an illegal activity or is of illegal status is somehow less human? That's a rather odd view.

in response to:

Not "illegals", however much such dehumanising terminology helps your conscience.​

Now who's strawmanning?

Have I misinterpreted you?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

in response to:

Not "illegals", however much such dehumanising terminology helps your conscience.​

Have I misinterpreted you?

Yep. Willfully, I suspect. I'm really not interested in silly contrarian mudslinging, though, so if there's a specific point I made you think was a strawman, let me know, otherwise TTYL.

 

[Tumah]

For example?

Right here.

 

[Tumah]

Yep. Willfully, I suspect.

So you're saying that you think "illegals" is dehumanizing...but not because you think doing something illegal or being of illegal status is less human.

Are you sure that's your position?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Right here.

"What type of black and white thinking, specifically? That willfully and unnecessarily mistreating children is a bad thing? If that's too "black and white", well, mea culpa, I guess."

No strawman there, not even a claim that could be a strawman. May I humbly suggest you familiarise yourself with what a strawman actually is before accusing others of using it?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

So you're saying that you think "illegals" is dehumanizing...but not because you think doing something illegal or being of illegal status is less human.

Are you sure that's your position?

Again with the mischaracterisation/baiting? Sorry, not playing. If you want a discussion about anything I actually said, I'm happy to oblige. If you're just going to violate So's Law, then I'm really not interested.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

So in your view, a person who has performed an illegal activity or is of illegal status is somehow less human? That's a rather odd view.
What does the fact that they are children have to do with anything? Can a child not be made to perform an illegal activity or be placed in a position of illegal status?

So, what is illegal about being a refugee or an asylum seeker?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

So, what is illegal about being a refugee or an asylum seeker?

DFTT.

 

[Tumah]

So, what is illegal about being a refugee or an asylum seeker?

I don't know.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I don't know.

Then don't call them "illegals".

 

[The Reverend Bob]

I don't know.

What do you mean you don't know? Are you saying that you don't know what you are talking about?

 

[Tumah]

"What type of black and white thinking, specifically? That willfully and unnecessarily mistreating children is a bad thing? If that's too "black and white", well, mea culpa, I guess."

No strawman there, not even a claim that could be a strawman. May I humbly suggest you familiarise yourself with what a strawman actually is before accusing others of using it?

One of us definitely should.

Again with the mischaracterisation/baiting? Sorry, not playing. If you want a discussion about anything I actually said, I'm happy to oblige. If you're just going to violate So's Law, then I'm really not interested.

You mean it's only ok when you do it?

 

[oldbadger]

Pushing back against what?
GFM - Female Gential Mutilation???

I'm confused. I thought the topic of this thread was calling the environment in which illegals are being held "concentration camps".

Children, Tumah. This thread focused upon children, and treatment of children.

At this time treatment of children is being reviewed most closely. FGM where I live is now an Indictable Offence. I mentioned this to you are then added that 'Boys could be protected next'.

Attitudes are changing. It's true.

 

[Tumah]

What do you mean you don't know? Are you saying that you don't know what you are talking about?

No, I'm saying I don't know the answer to your question.
If one enters the country illegally but with intent to seek asylum is one legally defined as an illegal alien or an asylum seeker or both?
I do not know.