Why do atheist believe something can come from nothing?

[Maximilian]

There is no evidence, except people making claims based on nothing more than delusions and hearsay from ancient people who didn't even know that the earth orbited the sun.

The lack of evidence is the evidence. People make claims all the time. That doesn't mean that they're true.
Tom

Which is an Argumentum ex silentio fallacy. Fischer's "Historians' Fallacies" categorically asserts, "Evidence must always be affirmative. Negative evidence is a contradiction in terms--it is no evidence at all. The nonexistence of an object is established not by nonexistent evidence but by affirmative evidence of the fact that it did not, or could not exist."


Ex: Absolute, 100% irrefutable evidence Santa Claus cannot exist in reality.


My disbelief in Santa Claus is, demonstrably, driven by positive evidence of his non-existence.


Now try to apply the same approach to God Almighty.

 

[Maximilian]

They probably become religious.
Tom

Which makes evident the fundamental necessity all individuals have to be instructed in what is objectively good and precisely what is not.

Otherwise it's all really just narcissism.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you're Agnostic, I get it

Most agnostics are atheists. You are mistaken if you think that they have to be different things.

Agnosticism is a claim about what one knows, atheism is a claim about what one believes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's Agnosticism, not Atheism.

I see that a correction by another did not work.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Right, you feel that God does not exist but the truth is you don't have any evidence that support this.

Oh my Gawd!! One needs evidence to claim that a God exists. The lack of evidence for a claim means that it does not merit belief. A lack of belief is not a statement that something does not exist. Merely that one would not be surprised if one learned that the object with no evidentiary support does not exist.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Which makes evident the fundamental necessity all individuals have to be instructed in what is objectively good and precisely what is not.

Otherwise it's all really just narcissism.

Where do you get the idea of "objective good" from?

 

[Subduction Zone]

And what happens when that innate moral sense gets mangled beyond all recognition?

If based morals on a rational base that does not occur.

 

[columbus]

Which makes evident the fundamental necessity all individuals have to be instructed in what is objectively good and precisely what is not.

But scriptures won't tell you what that is. Solid believers interpret it however they feel is right.
Then they go on doing whatever they want, confident that their interpretation is what God really meant to say.

There are few things more subjective than a theist's interpretation of Scriptures. Especially the ethical parts of Scriptures.

Otherwise it's all really just narcissism.

Exactly.
The best morality is totally selfish.
I want to live the best life possible, and the best way to do that is living a moral life. That is the best thing for me.

I don't expect posthumous justice. I see no reason to believe in cosmic justice of any sort. God's Creation doesn't work that way, obviously. Look around you at reality.
But living according to the guidelines of modern ethics, AKA secular humanism, and things will likely work out. No guarantees, there's no God who will work a miracle for you just because you say the right prayer or follow the right ritual or believe the right thing.

But living a moral life is more likely to work out than living a religious life. I've been watching this world for nearly 60 years and I have watched that with my own eyes.
Tom

 

[We Never Know]

I don't.
Something happened, around 15 billion years ago, that launched reality as I know it.
How, I don't know. Why, I don't know. What, I only know a tiny sliver of, mostly I don't know.
The operational phrase here is "I don't know". That is not the same as nothing.

It's theists who claim to know important things about the why, how, and what. They'll often get as specific as "The Creator doesn't like it when you have sex with another guy."
But, as far as I can see, they're just making up a God/Creator who agrees with them. Making up A God in their own image. A Being who does things the way they would, if they were God.

I don't find those people at all credible. Religion is fiction. So, I am a nontheist.
Tom

I as well don't know.

Do you think it happened from something or nothing?

I don't know what that "something" could have been as well as I can't show it was "nothing".

It all depends on how the word nothing is looked at. If there is nothing can nothing be something?
It's like nowhere. Nowhere doesn't actually exist, no matter where you are you are somewhere.

It could have happened from either something or nothing IMO.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Straw man. I didn't make the argument of fully understand or partially understand.

Being above our realm of understanding is "not understanding, period".

nope. You made a Bold Claim that a creature that is somehow less, cannot understand something that is Magically Complicated.

I have inserted the word "magically" because that describes your arbitrary distinction: you seem to believe that something can be magically beyond comprehension, and therefore somehow becomes magically invisible.

You have failed to show any of those things.

 

[Road Warrior]

Still waiting for your evidence that something outside of literally everything, is even possible...

Until you can do that? It remains irrational to assume such a thing. North of the North Pole.

There is no evidence. All we have is your belief the Big Bang magically happened that something literally came from nothing and from nowhere.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You keep using natural and current analogies.
We are talking about the super natural(if it exists). Use a super natural example. Then explain how and why you would know.

So. Magically Incomprehensible?

okaaaay....

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

And Atheism's claim that God does not nor cannot exist has never, ever been proven.

Nope. That's not what atheism is.

Theists claim "god is real". Atheist ask: prove it.

And you refuse to prove it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is no evidence. All we have is your belief the Big Bang magically happened that something literally came from nothing and from nowhere.

So you have no evidence for your beliefs do not understand the evidence for the Big Bang. Thanks for keeping us up to date.

 

[We Never Know]

nope. You made a Bold Claim that a creature that is somehow less, cannot understand something that is Magically Complicated.

I have inserted the word "magically" because that describes your arbitrary distinction: you seem to believe that something can be magically beyond comprehension, and therefore somehow becomes magically invisible.

You have failed to show any of those things.

I don't believe the super natural exist. I also don't believe it doesn't exist. I don't know. It may or may not.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

My disbelief in Santa Claus is, for instance, is driven by positive evidence for his non-existence.

Here's absolute, 100% probative evidence Santa Claus cannot exist in reality.



Now try to apply the same approach to God Almighty and justify Atheism's claim that God does not nor cannot exist.

For starters? Your god-- as you describe -- cannot actually exist.

Proof? you. No god worthy of the title would suffer the likes of you to represent it's interests.

oooopps!

 

[Road Warrior]

Multiverse is a hypothesis about the Natural Universe and as time goes on we may have the tools to falsify it. The existence of atoms was proposed over 2000 years ago, but only recently have we had the tools to 'see' one.

I have faith scientific advances will continue to provide answers to our questions. <—- See what I did there?

As the link noted, Quantum theory could provide the evidence of Multiverses. At the moment, it’s just theory and hypotheses, no evidence. That said, unless you are like @Bob the Unbeliever, I doubt that you believe the Universe just magically came from nothing nor that it’s insane to even discuss the issue.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

There is no evidence. All we have is your belief the Big Bang magically happened that something literally came from nothing and from nowhere.

wait.... ***MY** belief?

What's this "your belief" horse exhaust! PROJECTION YET AGAIN.

And you wonder why I have to use all caps, when replying to ... you....

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.......

BUT WAIT! YOU GOT ANOTHER THING 100% WRONG!

The Big Bang? Absolutely does NOT claim nothing from nowhere...!!!!

Oh. My...

 

[We Never Know]

There is no evidence. All we have is your belief the Big Bang magically happened that something literally came from nothing and from nowhere.

Technically we have to go pre-big bang.
Why was there a singularity, what did it exist in, why did it heat up, etc.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I don't believe the super natural exist. I also don't believe it doesn't exist. I don't know. It may or may not.

Yet... you continue to make claims about some kind of Magical Separation ...

hmmmm...