Why do atheist believe something can come from nothing?

[Maximilian]

I'm totally with you as long as you include "unknowable" and "probably fictional".
Tom

What evidence compels the additions of such?

 

[columbus]

So you're Agnostic, I get it

If you actually ask, you'll find that there vanishingly few hard atheists.
Mostly, there are agnostic atheists who find the evidence for any sort of theism so weak that they are extremely confident that theism is a form of fiction.
Tom

 

[Maximilian]

I don't care what the Stanford Encyclopedia says.
There are other direct answers. The main one being "Nobody knows".
Tom

That's Agnosticism, not Atheism.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You are the person handing me phony arguments that fail themselves.

Now, on your dragon in the garage. You do understand that buying a fashion mag in a dairy requires very similar things as performing open heart surgery. Both require reaching for something, picking up something, grabbing something from another position, placing something somewhere, collecting something else from another person in the room, walking a small distance through the room. If I was an atheist, I'd think buying a fashion mag and performing open heart surgery are identical. And no, you don't get to call me out for these being false equivalence because this is identical to your dragon in the garage analogy, you just want to move the goal posts to keep your fallacious reasoning from being criticized.

Sorry, but that's unbelievably lame. You accuse me of creating a strawman, but yours is ridiculous. And if you really couldn't tell the difference between a few actions buying a magazine, and a "few actions operating on a living heart," then I wouldn't think much of your intelligence.

I chose, for the sake of expedience, to give my example a name ("dragon") and some characteristics (fire-breathing, invisible, etc), just as theist choose to give their example a name (usually "God," but "Allah" or "Jehovah" will do) and some characteristics (creates, all powerful, all knowing, all good, etc.)

But we can dispense with all that and just say:

Propose entity X, with characteristics a,b,c...etc.Among those characteristics are "leaves no evidentiary trail." Question: will you believe entity X exists, or will you not?

 

[Maximilian]

If you actually ask, you'll find that there vanishingly few hard atheists.
Mostly, there are agnostic atheists who find the evidence for any sort of theism so weak that they are extremely confident that theism is a form of fiction.
Tom

And then there's research which shows that 'high functioning autism is an extreme cognitive processing style that predisposes towards Atheism and Agnosticism.'

 

[SkepticThinker]

So you're Agnostic, I get it

Atheist agnostic.

But just to reiterate, atheists lack belief in god(s). That is all that is required to be an atheist.
Atheism speaks to belief.
Agnosticism speaks to knowledge.

 

[columbus]

What evidence compels the additions of such?

The fact that there is no God who cares enough about what we do, believe, or what happens to us to be clear about it. That's a fact.

The fact that various god images have been found in all kinds of ancient literature, and had believers amongst nearly every society there has ever been, and they're all different.
How's that for a start?
Tom

 

[Jedster]

If you actually ask, you'll find that there vanishingly few hard atheists.
Mostly, there are agnostic atheists who find the evidence for any sort of theism so weak that they are extremely confident that theism is a form of fiction.
Tom

Yes, and there are those who are just apatheist because they don't have any concept of god or consider it irrelevant..
In my youth, almost everyone passionately supported a football team(Spurs & Arsenal where I was ). Those that didn't support a team were considered weird.

 

[columbus]

And then there's the research which shows that 'high functioning autism is an extreme cognitive processing style that predisposes towards Atheism and Agnosticism.'

That isn't really a response to what I posted.
Now is it?

There aren't very many hard atheists out there. Most Nontheists just recognize that humans are clueless about some things. The Creator and the Afterlife are just 2 of them.
Tom

 

[Maximilian]

Atheist agnostic.

But just to reiterate, atheists lack belief in god(s). That is all that is required to be an atheist.
Atheism speaks to belief.
Agnosticism speaks to knowledge.

Right, you feel that God does not exist but the truth is you don't have any evidence that support this.

 

[columbus]

And then there's research which shows that 'high functioning autism is an extreme cognitive processing style that predisposes towards Atheism and Agnosticism.'

Perhaps you are implying that non-theism is caused by a mental deficiency?
Is that really what you want to say?

Because I have a fairly blunt response to that. And I don't want to get in more trouble with the RF staff unless it's for a good reason.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Right, you feel that God does not exist but the truth is you don't have any evidence that support this.

The truth is that there's no real evidence on the subject at all.
It's theists who keep claiming that their delusions and ancient hearsay are evidence for something.
Tom

 

[Maximilian]

There aren't very many hard atheists out there. Most Nontheists just recognize that humans are clueless about some things. The Creator and the Afterlife are just 2 of them.
Tom

Yes, it looks look like many of them simply prefer the amorality and lack of responsibility philosophical Atheism seems to afford them.

 

[Maximilian]

Perhaps you are implying that non-theism is caused by a mental deficiency?
Is that really what you want to say?

Why not just perlustrate their research before coming to any conclusion?

 

[Maximilian]

The truth is that there's no real evidence on the subject at all.
It's theists who keep claiming that their delusions and ancient hearsay are evidence for something.
Tom

First you claim that there's no evidence then you say it's delusion. Which is it?

 

[Maximilian]

The fact that there is no God who cares enough about what we do, believe, or what happens to us to be clear about it. That's a fact.
Tom

What's your evidence?

 

[columbus]

Yes, it looks look like many of them simply prefer the amorality and lack of responsibility philosophical Atheism seems to afford them.

You could actually ask a question instead of going by how things "seem".
I am far more Pro-Life than most of the Christians I know. Because I don't have the "Do as you're told" and you'll go to Heaven, or the "I'm not perfect, I'm forgiven" sort of Get Out of Hell Free cards.
I have to think through what I believe to be true and moral. I don't have some modern person telling me what ancient people believed that God means.
Tom

 

[Maximilian]

I have to think through what I believe to be true and moral.
Tom

And what happens when that innate moral sense gets mangled beyond all recognition?

 

[columbus]

What's your evidence?

There is no evidence, except people making claims based on nothing more than delusions and hearsay from ancient people who didn't even know that the earth orbited the sun.

The lack of evidence is the evidence. People make claims all the time. That doesn't mean that they're true.
Tom

 

[columbus]

And what happens when that innate moral sense gets mangled beyond all recognition?

They probably become religious.
Tom