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Featured Why do atheist believe something can come from nothing?

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  1. Nimos

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    Could this explain it? :D

     
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    Atheists basically follow science concerning the nature of our physical existence, therefore almost all scientists regardless of religious belief and atheists do not believe our physical existence came from 'absolute nothing' regardless of whether there is only one universe of an infinite number of universes.

    It is basically 'some' theists that believe the our physical existence was Created from 'absolute nothing.' Some scientist have describe the 'Quantum World' as the nothing that universes originate from, but this is not the 'philosophical absolute nothing' of theist views.

    If anything the atheists as well as many if not most scientists believe the physical existence is most likely eternal and did not come from anything.

    The video is udder nonsense.
     
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    Why is it anymore sensible to believe in God?
    Where did god come from? From Nothing?
     
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  5. The Reverend Bob

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    Who says that there was never something?
     
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    Your understanding of quantum physics and atheism is somewhat lacking.

    First atheism, an atheist is "a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods."

    Nothing more, nothing less, so it does not mean a person who believes in the existence quantum vacuum bubbles.

    Now the quantum vacuum.
    Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing
    Its ok, dont expect you to understand it. My point is that it is one of many mathematically or observationally valid hypothesis on how the universe was formed.
    Note i said hypothesis... Why, because it is not known.

    But unlike the god dun it with magic out of nothing* scenario, all the scientific hypothesis at least have the bonus of being feasible

    * Read the bible, god made it from nothing (void), many people have no problem believing that?
     
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    Yes, why do theists believe something came from nothing. o_O

    It's possible the universe has always existed, or at least something has always existed. However without knowledge about it, I see no reason to invest in any one possibility over another.
     
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    A simplistic sound bite reference needs explanation. Krauss does not propose that our universe began from 'absolute nothing.' I actually consider the use of 'nothing' in this context is actually 'hyper click bait.'

    The concept of 'nothing' in this context is the Quantum World all possible universes originate from, and return. Many propose this Quantum World ia eternal and timeless, and did not come from anything.
     
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    Scientists are not all too concerned whether our physical existence is eternal or not, nor whether our physical existence is infinite or not, because there is no meaningful hypothesis that could falsify such a hypothesis.
     
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    Not really 'nothing',
    "we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible." HEB.11
     
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    The irony of this thread is Hitler is questioning the hypothesis of the Quantum Vacuum and giving a criticism of atheism. I guess the OP believes Hitler is some sort of authority
     
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    In a way he was.
     
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    We have organs of communication with spirit, many have them deeply suppressed.
     
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    They don’t. At least this atheist.
    Despite what experts of nothing might say.

    Ciao

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    Evidence?
     
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    I find this idea interesting. I presume you mean it allegorically rather than literally. There have been studies done demonstrating, for example, that some people are actually incapable of visualizing. This just boggles my mind, as visualization is a very powerful tool for working with the otherworlds and imagination. It seems to be a relatively rare condition in the population, however.

    As for the OP, I almost never watch random videos from smucktoob. The question you ask is also much too loaded for my tastes. There is nothing about atheism (or theism for that matter) which requires acceptance (or lack thereof) of creation from a void. If I wanted to know what any particular person thought about these matters, I would prefer to ask them instead of assuming.
     
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    Genesis 1 comes first
     
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    Why do atheist believe something can come from nothing?

    The above is a good question.
    Regards
     
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    Genesis is coded but says essentially the same. It is not true science book, just some hints.
     
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    Not allegorically.
     
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