Pew Research: 41% of Gays/Lesbians/Bisexuals Have No Religious Affiliation

[Revoltingest]

Kind of a woose wouldn't you say?

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No, I'd say "wuss".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But, my point anyways, this is strong evidence we don't need god or religion. Theists, especially and mostly Christians, have no grounds to claim and insist otherwise.

 

[Enoch07]

The Bible clearly states homosexuals are to be put to death, "their blood is on their hands."

Well that why I stick to what Jesus says, which is why I am a Christian. Jesus never said for me to kill LGBT. Instead my thoughts go to John 13 1-16 comes to mind. But I'll simplify it so you don't have to read all of it.

Jesus here knew that he was about to be betrayed and killed. So what does he do? He washes the feet of those that would betray Him and tells them to go on and do the same and they will be happy. This is what we should do, forgive each other for past aggressions, and then go live happy!

13 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;

3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

4 He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.

5 After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.

6 Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?

7 Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.

8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.

9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.

10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.

12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?

13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.

15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.


So I guess the last question is. Are you ready for your foot washing? (I do give a good foot massage just saying)

 

[Enoch07]

But, my point anyways, this is strong evidence we don't need god or religion. Theists, especially and mostly Christians, have no grounds to claim and insist otherwise.

You might not, but others do.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You might not, but others do.

I'm saying lots of us don't. Its a baseless assumption that stands on no ground and is just down right rude to insist we do when it comes to morality and fulfillment. Some sure, do need it. But they are wrong to say we all do.

 

[Enoch07]

I'm saying lots of us don't. Its a baseless assumption that stands on no ground and is just down right rude to insist we do when it comes to morality and fulfillment. Some sure, do need it. But they are wrong to say we all do.

I never said anybody needed it when it comes to mortality. You are jumping to conclusions.

I said some people do need it. As in we are religious by nature and need it. Not for morality etc.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well that why I stick to what Jesus says, which is why I am a Christian.

Not directly, but he said nothing of the Law or Prophets has changed, and warned against claiming otherwise.

r being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;

That just seems silly. Why is the Devil involved in something that must be done? Why not show Judas great mercy and leave the Devil out because someone has got to do it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I never said anybody needed it when it comes to mortality. You are jumping to conclusions.

I said some people do need it. As in we are religious by nature and need it. Not for morality etc.

I'm not jumping to conclusions. You didn't state that, but many do, and you did take it upon yourself to try to debate my claim after I made it. Ultimately, this is further evidence in saying we need god is a false statement. Not yoyr words that we do, but the words of countless others.

 

[Enoch07]

Not directly, but he said nothing of the Law or Prophets has changed, and warned against claiming otherwise.

That's why it's up to my discernment. Perhaps I'm wrong for loving people instead of killing them. If so that's on me.

Why is the Devil involved in something that must be done?

That's a long story you probably don't have the patience to hear. But I'd be glad to explain it to you one day when you have time.

You didn't state that, but many do,

I understand, which is why I pointed it out that is not what the claim I was making.

and you did take it upon yourself to try to debate my claim after I made it.

Well as I said above I was just pointing it out, I'm not debating your claim per say. Just a discussion.

Ultimately, this is further evidence in saying we need god is a false statement. Not yoyr words that we do, but the words of countless others.

Sure there are lots of people who believe this. I won't deny that it that some don't want/need God.










My only point was some people do need God, even LGBT, not for morality etc but because they love God. Religion will increase and decrease in numbers over the ages this is normal. We are in a lull at the moment. But religion isn't going anywhere anytime soon. So like I said before. It's best if we just all learn to love, respect, and appreciate each other, even when we disagree.

 

[Skwim]

No, I'd say "wuss".

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[wellwisher]

" And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

… gay, lesbian and bisexual adults substantially less likely* than straight adults to affiliate with a religious group. Four-in-ten (41%) identify as atheist, agnostic or “nothing in particular,” compared with just 22% of straight adults who say the same.
*link to Pew article​

I know, I know, you already assumed as much. But in theory, there’s no reason there should be any difference. The disconnect, I would assume, is almost entirely due to the way religious groups perceive and treat LGBTQ people. Many of the largest denominations have actively demonized them to the point where LGBTQ people want nothing to do with organized religion. They may still believe in the supernatural, but they know damn well that holy books have no love for them — and that many followers of God actively work to suppress their civil rights.
source​

Serves these religions right! And serves LGBTQ people well.

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Members of the LGBTQ often wear their sexuality as a uniform. This makes them stand out, creating its own reality in terms of environmental feedback.

If I went to a Liberal rally, wearing a MAGA hat, this would lead to a mob style backlash. It is not necessarily about me, the person, but about my choice to wear a symbol, that can push angry buttons. If I entered the same room, without that symbol, I would be more accepted, and not made to feel uncomfortable, unless I say things that push other buttons.

For some reason, members of LGBTQ community want to wear their uniform; symbol, as though they are part of another religion, and their initiation into that sect, requires they evangelize. This will lead to backlash and a self for filling prophesy of negative feedback.

If you assume LGBTQ is natural, and it represents a certain percept of the human population, very few people knew what T or Q was 20 years ago. This is not because it did not exist, but because it was below the radar. There was no social backlash, until the uniform was put on, as a display to get attention.

If you go back 50 years ago, and assume the percent of the population that is gay and lesbian is also the same percent as today, although this behavior was known, it was not considered very common, since the uniform was not yet a prerequisite, and most was below the radar. Most gay and lesbians could blend in without any backlash.

If Joe was transitioning into Joan, but when he goes to Church, he dresses as Joe, he would be greeted by friends as always. If one day he wears the uniform of Joan, the level of negativity will increase due to misunderstanding. Regardless of who is to blame, the spirit of Satan appears in the Church due to the hostility induced. If the goal was a clean spirit of God, in the house of worship, then one would not push the buttons of the weak, and allow Satan to enter the room. This is the sacrifice of peace. Whoever wishes to be the leader, shall be your servant.

 

[Revoltingest]

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"Woose" looks like it should rhyme with "moose".
But "wuss" is short for "wussy", which rhymes with....you know.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

"Woose" looks like it should rhyme with "moose".
But "wuss" is short for "wussy", which rhymes with....you know.

I like a certain book series called "For Dummies". They need a book about name-calling......... I'd buy it for educational purposes only.

 

[BilliardsBall]

" And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

… gay, lesbian and bisexual adults substantially less likely* than straight adults to affiliate with a religious group. Four-in-ten (41%) identify as atheist, agnostic or “nothing in particular,” compared with just 22% of straight adults who say the same.
*link to Pew article​

I know, I know, you already assumed as much. But in theory, there’s no reason there should be any difference. The disconnect, I would assume, is almost entirely due to the way religious groups perceive and treat LGBTQ people. Many of the largest denominations have actively demonized them to the point where LGBTQ people want nothing to do with organized religion. They may still believe in the supernatural, but they know damn well that holy books have no love for them — and that many followers of God actively work to suppress their civil rights.
source
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Serves these religions right! And serves LGBTQ people well.

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You're right! It's our fault for showing truth and showing love to homosexuals. It's our fault when they choose irreligious behavior (practicing homosexual behavior), and then reject religion. Our fault 100%!

Good catch.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

showing truth and showing love to homosexuals.

Banning homosexuality, persecuting and inciting violence against gays is "showing truth and love"??? Telling people they're sinners, a depraved abomination before the Creator and going to burn in hell because they love someone of the same sex is "truth and love"?

 

[Skwim]

Members of the LGBTQ often wear their sexuality as a uniform. This makes them stand out, creating its own reality in terms of environmental feedback.

If I went to a Liberal rally, wearing a MAGA hat, this would lead to a mob style backlash. It is not necessarily about me, the person, but about my choice to wear a symbol, that can push angry buttons. If I entered the same room, without that symbol, I would be more accepted, and not made to feel uncomfortable, unless I say things that push other buttons.

For some reason, members of LGBTQ community want to wear their uniform; symbol, as though they are part of another religion, and their initiation into that sect, requires they evangelize. This will lead to backlash and a self for filling prophesy of negative feedback.

If you assume LGBTQ is natural, and it represents a certain percept of the human population, very few people knew what T or Q was 20 years ago. This is not because it did not exist, but because it was below the radar. There was no social backlash, until the uniform was put on, as a display to get attention.

If you go back 50 years ago, and assume the percent of the population that is gay and lesbian is also the same percent as today, although this behavior was known, it was not considered very common, since the uniform was not yet a prerequisite, and most was below the radar. Most gay and lesbians could blend in without any backlash.

If by "uniform" you mean publicly promoting their cause for equality, this only happens on occasion. No doubt the reason it stands out is because of the press interest it gathers, and the fact that it is somewhat new and may be something you oppose or find rankling.

If Joe was transitioning into Joan, but when he goes to Church, he dresses as Joe, he would be greeted by friends as always. If one day he wears the uniform of Joan, the level of negativity will increase due to misunderstanding.

And don't you find that shameful; people being judged negatively for whom they feel they are?

Regardless of who is to blame, the spirit of Satan appears in the Church due to the hostility induced.

Blame? Blame for what, their inner feelings? If anything, it would be god for having made them the way they are. They certainly didn't choose to be LGBT or Q.

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[Skwim]

You're right! It's our fault for showing truth and showing love to homosexuals.

"Love"? Now that's a laugh.

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[BilliardsBall]

Banning homosexuality, persecuting and inciting violence against gays is "showing truth and love"??? Telling people they're sinners, a depraved abomination before the Creator and going to burn in hell because they love someone of the same sex is "truth and love"?

If a Hell exists, yes, except I've never used terms like "a depraved abomination". Rather, I believe straights and gays are both in need of redemption.

 

[BilliardsBall]

"Love"? Now that's a laugh.


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You have shown us what about 50 "Christians" do and not what the other 50 million do. You show us this because it surprises you as being so opposite what Christians do.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

" And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

… gay, lesbian and bisexual adults substantially less likely* than straight adults to affiliate with a religious group. Four-in-ten (41%) identify as atheist, agnostic or “nothing in particular,” compared with just 22% of straight adults who say the same.
*link to Pew article​

I know, I know, you already assumed as much. But in theory, there’s no reason there should be any difference. The disconnect, I would assume, is almost entirely due to the way religious groups perceive and treat LGBTQ people. Many of the largest denominations have actively demonized them to the point where LGBTQ people want nothing to do with organized religion. They may still believe in the supernatural, but they know damn well that holy books have no love for them — and that many followers of God actively work to suppress their civil rights.
source
​

Serves these religions right! And serves LGBTQ people well.

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Shocking. Spend enough time demonising a group, and they're less likely to want to play with you. Where can I get research grants for these "is water wet?" type projects?