Why is Islam so dangerous?

[ChristineM]

Of course it would and I think that would be the most logical way to go for a Muslim country so that is my point:
Why none of the 53 Muslim countries dare to implement what they believe to be the perfect law system given to them by God?

You keep misunderstanding me.
I really don't care what the Bible or the Quran says, what I care is how people react after reading those scriptures.
Some Muslims (terrorists) get all aggressive and violent and cold heartedly commit the most heinous criminal acts against innocent people based on the readings of the Quran.
On the other hand Christians read the Bible and its violent passages and somehow use their common sense and know what not to do. See the difference?

Could it be difference of INTERPRETATION?
Could it be evil people (Imams) promoting evil interpretations of the same scriptures moderates use?
Listen to Anjem Choudary and you'll understand what an evil Imam think Islam should look like.
Are we getting in on the same page now?

My guess is you have not considered the atrocities committed by christians in africa, the nlft in india

Or the FBI analysis stating that of every U.S. terrorist attack between 1980 and 2005, 94% were carried out by someone who was not Muslim

Yes some christians read the bible and get all violent.

 

[Shad]

Yup, "has been" is past.

The context was "why is islam dangerous" which happens to be the title of this thread

K

You are the one so interested in percentages - when it suites you.

You never went into specific verses so there was little to say.

I admitted it so stop gloating like a child.

Again took you about 5 posts to get around to that point. Is it gloating or do you have major issue admitting you were wrong?

And? I like to see your incredulous tantrums.

What tantrum? Pointing out you have no idea what you are talking about is a tantrum? Hilarious.

The fact i am replying to your posts is evidence of that, you do know the meaning of condescending right?

So it's condescending to point out words having meaning and the IRA isn't based on religion? Hilarious.

 

[ChristineM]

K



You never went into specific verses so there was little to say.



Again took you about 5 posts to get around to that point. Is it gloating or do you have major issue admitting you were wrong?



What tantrum? Pointing out you have no idea what you are talking about is a tantrum? Hilarious.



So it's condescending to point out words having meaning and the IRA isn't based on religion? Hilarious.

The point is that i have every idea what i am talking about, the on who is ignorant about the deeply religious aspects of irish politics is you.

Nope condescending is your obnoxious attitude

Fyi, the definition of condescending just in case you dont know it

having or showing an attitude of patronizing superiority.​

 

[Raymann]

I have and I have not found any.

Ask Anjem Choudary and he'll find them for you,
or you can put your glasses on and check Quran 8:39

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

Fight them until they convert or pay the
jizya, basically killed them all if they don't convert or pay taxes. Doesn't say leave the women and the children, or the elderly and incapacitated.
To my standards that's pretty violent I must say.
How is it you couldn't find that?

My guess is you have not considered the atrocities committed by christians in africa, the nlft in india

I have considered it all and still see Islam as the primary source of violence among all current religions and is not getting better.
Compare Europe before and after the huge Muslim migration. Rapes, sexual attacks on music concerts, terrorists attacks, attacks on Jews for no other reason than religious hate, etc, etc, etc. I am concerned and I don't see the purpose of people like you trying to deflect attention from the source of violence.
I know the Bible has violent passages, I know there are crazy people that are Christians, or Jews or whatever but there is a major problem approaching and you choose to be blind to it.

Or the FBI analysis stating that of every U.S. terrorist attack between 1980 and 2005, 94% were carried out by someone who was not Muslim

That was the last time the FBI used OLD SCHOOL definitions of "Terrorism". That report included some crimes that are not up the the standards we use today to define what a terrorist act is. I would put that report where it belongs, in the trash can.

 

[sooda]

Ask Anjem Choudary and he'll find them for you,
or you can put your glasses on and check Quran 8:39

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

Fight them until they convert or pay the
jizya, basically killed them all if they don't convert or pay taxes. Doesn't say leave the women and the children, or the elderly and incapacitated.
To my standards that's pretty violent I must say.
How is it you couldn't find that?

I have considered it all and still see Islam as the primary source of violence among all current religions and is not getting better.
Compare Europe before and after the huge Muslim migration. Rapes, sexual attacks on music concerts, terrorists attacks, attacks on Jews for no other reason than religious hate, etc, etc, etc. I am concerned and I don't see the purpose of people like you trying to deflect attention from the source of violence.
I know the Bible has violent passages, I know there are crazy people that are Christians, or Jews or whatever but there is a major problem approaching and you choose to be blind to it.

That was the last time the FBI used OLD SCHOOL definitions of "Terrorism". That report included some crimes that are not up the the standards we use today to define what a terrorist act is. I would put that report where it belongs, in the trash can.

Anjem Choudary is a nut.

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[ChristineM]

Ask Anjem Choudary and he'll find them for you,
or you can put your glasses on and check Quran 8:39

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

Fight them until they convert or pay the
jizya, basically killed them all if they don't convert or pay taxes. Doesn't say leave the women and the children, or the elderly and incapacitated.
To my standards that's pretty violent I must say.
How is it you couldn't find that?

I have considered it all and still see Islam as the primary source of violence among all current religions and is not getting better.
Compare Europe before and after the huge Muslim migration. Rapes, sexual attacks on music concerts, terrorists attacks, attacks on Jews for no other reason than religious hate, etc, etc, etc. I am concerned and I don't see the purpose of people like you trying to deflect attention from the source of violence.
I know the Bible has violent passages, I know there are crazy people that are Christians, or Jews or whatever but there is a major problem approaching and you choose to be blind to it.

That was the last time the FBI used OLD SCHOOL definitions of "Terrorism". That report included some crimes that are not up the the standards we use today to define what a terrorist act is. I would put that report where it belongs, in the trash can.

I am in no way deflecting attention from the atrocities of terrorism, i am highlighting that it is not only muslims who commit terrorism

I am also not influenced by project fear

Let me tell you a story. I used to live in the uk in a town with a high muslim population. They tended to be law abiding family people like most others. I say most others because of the times i have been hurt, the time i was a bomb blast victim and the time youths tried to kill my children the perpetrators in each case were christian.

Yes there are muslims who abuse the law, commit heinous acts. And there are christians to do too.

Ha, ha, ha, apologetics, you crack me up with your excuses for christian terrorism. I assume you do have evidence to show "That was the last time the FBI used OLD SCHOOL definitions of "Terrorism"."

And you gripe at me

 

[Shad]

The point is that i have every idea what i am talking about, the on who is ignorant about the deeply religious aspects of irish politics is you.

What does anyone mean?

You are still ignoring the historical aspect which predates the religious changes by centuries.

Nope condescending is your obnoxious attitude

You sound bitter.

Fyi, the definition of condescending just in case you dont know it

having or showing an attitude of patronizing superiority.​

What does anyone mean?

 

[Shad]

Ask Anjem Choudary and he'll find them for you,
or you can put your glasses on and check Quran 8:39

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

Fight them until they convert or pay the
jizya, basically killed them all if they don't convert or pay taxes. Doesn't say leave the women and the children, or the elderly and incapacitated.
To my standards that's pretty violent I must say.
How is it you couldn't find that?

I have considered it all and still see Islam as the primary source of violence among all current religions and is not getting better.
Compare Europe before and after the huge Muslim migration. Rapes, sexual attacks on music concerts, terrorists attacks, attacks on Jews for no other reason than religious hate, etc, etc, etc. I am concerned and I don't see the purpose of people like you trying to deflect attention from the source of violence.
I know the Bible has violent passages, I know there are crazy people that are Christians, or Jews or whatever but there is a major problem approaching and you choose to be blind to it.

That was the last time the FBI used OLD SCHOOL definitions of "Terrorism". That report included some crimes that are not up the the standards we use today to define what a terrorist act is. I would put that report where it belongs, in the trash can.

Choudary is in jail for his acts. Keep that in mind.

 

[sooda]

Choudary is in jail for his acts. Keep that in mind.

And should be. He would have been deported from most countries in the Arab world.

 

[ChristineM]

What does anyone mean?



You sound bitter.



What does anyone mean?

Still doing a jig? Tells much about your character.

Nope, not in the least bitter, more like laughing my socks off at your attitude. There is much i could comment on or ask you about but forum etiquette forbids

Still doing a jig. Would really help if you understood but i am sure the reasoning would be totally lost on you

 

[Shad]

And should be. He would have been deported from most countries in the Arab world.

The UK legal system provided him far more protection than in the Arab world. Double-edge sword but an acceptable one in my view. Toss in he is a lawyer so he avoided a lot of legal issues non-lawyers couldn't.

 

[Shad]

Still doing a jig? Tells much about your character.

Still whining I see.

Nope, not in the least bitter, more like laughing my socks off at your attitude. There is much i could comment on or ask you about but forum etiquette forbids

Hilarious. You were refuted and you flipped out. Nothing more

Still doing a jig. Would really help if you understood but i am sure the reasoning would be totally lost on you

What does anyone mean?

 

[ChristineM]

Still whining I see.



Hilarious. You were refuted and you flipped out. Nothing more



What does anyone mean?

Still doing jig. Maybe you gloating should be treated as spam

Flipped out, dream on, you have refuted nothing and shown your ignorance of irish politics

I see you are still spamming the thread

 

[sooda]

The UK legal system provided him far more protection than in the Arab world. Double-edge sword but an acceptable one in my view. Toss in he is a lawyer so he avoided a lot of legal issues non-lawyers couldn't.

I know.. and its a shame.. some 15 years ago KSA deported some thug and I don't remember his name, but the Saudi called and warned the Brits about him.

Of course these crazies make it harder for law abiding families.

 

[Raymann]

Choudary is in jail for his acts. Keep that in mind.

You need to update your information, Choudary is out early, I guess good conduct or something so feel free to tune in to his preachings and he'll show you what passages of the Quran the bad Muslims use to stay 100% sharia compliant.

Radical preacher Anjem Choudary, jailed for inviting support for the Islamic State group, has been released.

Correction: I asked you to comment on Quran 8:39 but was actually sayak83 who asked me about it, sorry about that.

Anjem Choudary is a nut.

If you listen to him he actually makes a lot of sense. He is sharp, eloquent and to the point. I tried to find where he is wrong about his take on Islam and cannot really find where he deviates from the teachings of the Quran and Hadith. I guess I need a good Scholar to show me.

He would have been deported from most countries in the Arab world.

I truly doubt it. He is a hard core Muslim.

 

[sooda]

You need to update your information, Choudary is out early, I guess good conduct or something so feel free to tune in to his preachings and he'll show you what passages of the Quran the bad Muslims use to stay 100% sharia compliant.

Radical preacher Anjem Choudary, jailed for inviting support for the Islamic State group, has been released.

Correction: I asked you to comment on Quran 8:39 but was actually sayak83 who asked me about it, sorry about that.

If you listen to him he actually makes a lot of sense. He is sharp, eloquent and to the point. I tried to find where he is wrong about his take on Islam and cannot really find where he deviates from the teachings of the Quran and Hadith. I guess I need a good Scholar to show me.

I truly doubt it. He is a hard core Muslim.

You don't know anything about the middle east or Islam. To hear you talk you'd think you know more than Muslims know.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

If you listen to him he actually makes a lot of sense. He is sharp, eloquent and to the point. I tried to find where he is wrong about his take on Islam and cannot really find where he deviates from the teachings of the Quran and Hadith. I guess I need a good Scholar to show me.

But what if (and this is something we always need to consider, though in religious debate most people do not) the Quran and Hadith contain mistakes, or are even totally wrong? (The same question can be asked of any scripture in any religion.) Not deviating from teachings that are wrong does not seem to me a reliable path to be right.

 

[sooda]

But what if (and this is something we always need to consider, though in religious debate most people do not) the Quran and Hadith contain mistakes, or are even totally wrong? (The same question can be asked of any scripture in any religion.) Not deviating from teachings that are wrong does not seem to me a reliable path to be right.

Most of the hadiths were created 200 years after the death of Muhammed.. In the case of Bukhari .. he was in Persia and was in his 90s before he related the hadiths. How's that for a game of whisper down the lane?

There were some 60,000 of them.. Very few have been authenticated and Muslims rarely agree on them. I can't imagine some American holding themselves up as an expert.

 

[loverofhumanity]

That like everything else in those god-books is open to interpretation.

Japan saw Pearl Harbor as defensive. GWB v Iraq, same.

I disagree here. I believe most people see things like murder and theft as bad. There is universal agreement on basic good and bad right and wrong, moral and immoral things. There are some deviations but minor ones.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Kind of worthless to say anything to you if thats yout
notion of a response.

"Get free" and "feel free" are not the same thing,
BTW.

My belief of freedom and liberty is that true freedom is to obey the laws of God. By obeying the laws of Baha’u’llah I have had a happy and stable married life, no drinking, gambling or drug problems and have constant inner peace and am apsurrounded by well meaning friends.

From my personal experience life as a Baha’i has been a lot better than when I wasn’t a Baha’i.