Islamic Jihad

[Audie]

At least we are making an effort to build a better world that all may live comfortably in peace. But its understandable that there is so much hopelessness and despair because that’s what materialism does.

Materialism breeds negativity. Materialism is so entrenched in despair and negativity that it stigmatises any sincere attempt to make things better as utopian reflecting a complete lack of faith in the goodness innate in every human being that we can make things better. That’s the attitude that materialism breeds and does.

yep, its your cult v the "materialists"

no such thing as ‘us and them’

Are you aware that this wonderful world tomorrow is
what every cult leader from Hugo Chavez and
Che Guevara thro' Mao and Pol Pot, on to that Kool
Aid guy, and the JW and and and all the way back
to the beginning of the first cult.?

Your cult is, you know, based on b.s., which is a
great weakness for any cult (all of them)

 

[ManSinha]

yep, its your cult v the "materialists"

no such thing as ‘us and them’

Are you aware that this wonderful world tomorrow is
what every cult leader from Hugo Chavez and
Che Guevara thro' Mao and Pol Pot, on to that Kool
Aid guy, and the JW and and and all the way back
to the beginning of the first cult.?

Your cult is, you know, based on b.s., which is a
great weakness for any cult (all of them)

I have to give you props for even understanding that prior post - I was left shaking my head - and I speak and read english pretty well - that made zero sense to me - if not for "materialism" we would be in the dark ages on many fronts - the desire to travel further and with ease - the desire to ease the burden of illness can all be classified as "materialism" and has led to wonderful discoveries and yet @loverofhumanity (who presumably uses a computer and internet and electricity or battery power) have the audacity to condemn all of it

Like with every thing else in life - there is very little black and white but plenty of shades of the intermediate

 

[loverofhumanity]

yep, its your cult v the "materialists"

no such thing as ‘us and them’

Are you aware that this wonderful world tomorrow is
what every cult leader from Hugo Chavez and
Che Guevara thro' Mao and Pol Pot, on to that Kool
Aid guy, and the JW and and and all the way back
to the beginning of the first cult.?

Your cult is, you know, based on b.s., which is a
great weakness for any cult (all of them)

You’re welcome to your views.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I have to give you props for even understanding that prior post - I was left shaking my head - and I speak and read english pretty well - that made zero sense to me - if not for "materialism" we would be in the dark ages on many fronts - the desire to travel further and with ease - the desire to ease the burden of illness can all be classified as "materialism" and has led to wonderful discoveries and yet @loverofhumanity (who presumably uses a computer and internet and electricity or battery power) have the audacity to condemn all of it

Like with every thing else in life - there is very little black and white but plenty of shades of the intermediate

I think you misunderstood my meaning of materialism. I mean a civilisation based on just profit and wealth alone is not enough for human happiness. Technology alone without moral direction can be dangerous. We used it in two world wars, millions died. Hiroshima the atom bomb. The holocaust. So technology is a two edged sword. It needs to be used properly not like now when countries spend $trillions on military budgets while people go without proper food, shelter and education and no Medicare. Yes we may enjoy our iPhones and computers but I suppose it doesn’t matter about the slave labor used to make them. Yeah we’ve got our wonderful technology but at what price? I love technology too but it also needs to be used to our benefit not that a nuke is pointed at us 24/7.

Can technology solve drug addiction or gun violence or domestic violence or rapes and war? We need spiritual and moral values as well to solve many of our problems which can’t be resolved by pressing a button. That’s where we need religion I believe. Without a balanced spiritual and material society we can’t function alone on just things. That’s a bit what I mean by materialism. I hope this clears it up a bit.

 

[Audie]

You’re welcome to your views.

You likewise are welcome to your own opinions.

But also, like the rest, are not welcome to your own facts.

You think you should be immune to being called on such
claims?

 

[ManSinha]

Can technology solve drug addiction or gun violence or domestic violence or rapes and war?

To an extent yes it can - when the causes of the behaviors are neuro hormonal imbalances - they can be addressed with certain medications which developed using the technology you speak so disparagingly of - the way you condemn individuals without bothering to see if there is a remedial cause for their behavior reminds me of the way your prophet condemned a person committing arson to be burnt alive - I am sure they make exceptions for mental illness even where you live (that is not in the Kitab-i-Aqdas by the way)

 

[loverofhumanity]

You likewise are welcome to your own opinions.

But also, like the rest, are not welcome to your own facts.

You think you should be immune to being called on such
claims?

I’m most happy to be questioned. I expect it as we are the ‘new kid on the block’ so to speak so we must be scrutinised, cross examined, interrogated and put under the microscope. Also I’ll try and learn from you as I believe every person knows some truth that we can learn from. I’m not the best at posting I’m still learning but I consider all as equals. I’m not better or saved or anything of that sort. I’m just a person like you and others and I have faults and shortcomings too

 

[The_Fisher_King]

It is not correct to portray ‘jihad’ as a ‘holy war’. ‘Holy war’ is rendered ‘al-harb al-muqadas’; a phrase that does not exist in classical Arabic, and is not found in the Qur'an. According to the Qur’an no war is 'holy'; not under any circumstance.

Define 'holy'.

 

[loverofhumanity]

To an extent yes it can - when the causes of the behaviors are neuro hormonal imbalances - they can be addressed with certain medications which developed using the technology you speak so disparagingly of - the way you condemn individuals without bothering to see if there is a remedial cause for their behavior reminds me of the way your prophet condemned a person committing arson to be burnt alive - I am sure they make exceptions for mental illness even where you live (that is not in the Kitab-i-Aqdas by the way)

That law for arson there’s also the option fir life imprisonment that’s mentioned in the same passage.

Please don’t misunderstand. I’m not condemning anyone. I just think a life without spirituality or morals can be a problem. Things like prayer can help mental illness also but I go to the doctor and I just bought a new computer so I love technology just I think our society could use some meditation and prayer too. A balanced life.

 

[Audie]

I have to give you props for even understanding that prior post - I was left shaking my head - and I speak and read english pretty well - that made zero sense to me - if not for "materialism" we would be in the dark ages on many fronts - the desire to travel further and with ease - the desire to ease the burden of illness can all be classified as "materialism" and has led to wonderful discoveries and yet @loverofhumanity (who presumably uses a computer and internet and electricity or battery power) have the audacity to condemn all of it

Like with every thing else in life - there is very little black and white but plenty of shades of the intermediate

I did not try to understand it, as such. Certainly not such as
to reply on some level to each bit of weirdness.
So I limited my reply to such parts as seemed in contact
with planet earth, in some way.

 

[Audie]

I’m most happy to be questioned. I expect it as we are the ‘new kid on the block’ so to speak so we must be scrutinised, cross examined, interrogated and put under the microscope. Also I’ll try and learn from you as I believe every person knows some truth that we can learn from. I’m not the best at posting I’m still learning but I consider all as equals. I’m not better or saved or anything of that sort. I’m just a person like you and others and I have faults and shortcomings too

Well, that is more down to earth than you've been
in other posts.

I will agree that we are both persons, but I do not
think you are very much like me.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Well, that is more down to earth than you've been
in other posts.

I will agree that we are both persons, but I do not
think you are very much like me.

I’m trying to learn to better express myself but it’s often just diversity in play. If we were all the same what a boring world it’d be.

 

[Audie]

I’m trying to learn to better express myself but it’s often just diversity in play. If we were all the same what a boring world it’d be.

Yet thou would'st have us all partake of the same
dogmata.

 

[Niblo]

Define 'holy'.

I understand ‘holy’ to mean that which is transcendent and totally other; that which is sacred; that which is worthy of worship. This word applies to Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) alone; and sets Him apart from all created things.

A war may be just, but it is never holy. That is why the expression ‘holy war’ (‘al-harb al-muqadas’) is not found in the Qur’an. Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) does not use this expression, and so why should we?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Rules of warfare in the Koran are surprising. They are forbidden to kill women, children, the elderly, non-combatants and livestock .. They are forbidden to destroy water sources, crops and trees. At the first sign the enemy wants to talk truce, they are obliged to go to the table.

Where in the Qur'an does it say all this?

 

[sooda]

Where in the Qur'an does it say all this?

I sure don't recall the page number.

10 Islamic Rules of War

10 Islamic Rules of War

Islamic military jurisprudence - Wikipedia

 

[The_Fisher_King]

I understand ‘holy’ to mean that which is transcendent and totally other; that which is sacred; that which is worthy of worship. This word applies to Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) alone; and sets Him apart from all created things.

A war may be just, but it is never holy. That is why the expression ‘holy war’ (‘al-harb al-muqadas’) is not found in the Qur’an. Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) does not use this expression, and so why should we?

If you understand 'holy' in that way, then I agree, war is of course not holy.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

I sure don't recall the page number.

10 Islamic Rules of War

10 Islamic Rules of War

Islamic military jurisprudence - Wikipedia

That's because these 'rules' are not all to be found in the Qur'an. General rules sure, but many of the specific things you mentioned come from elsewhere.

 

[Niblo]

If you understand 'holy' in that way, then I agree, war is of course not holy.

We are in agreement!

 

[sooda]

That's because these 'rules' are not all to be found in the Qur'an. General rules sure, but many of the specific things you mentioned come from elsewhere.

I had a close friend who was a Muslim judge and spoke Arabic, Amharic and Hebrew.. He was helpful and answered questions when I was studying.