They Are Not Christians!

[sooda]

You just need to bring the history up to the early 1st century AD and you'll discover just how enormous the Great Temple was.
And your earlier link showed just how many males could attend a great feast.
Jerusalem was very big, as was the Temple.

Have you been to Jerusalem? It was tiny.. A whistlestop on the trade route.. bandit territory. That's why David is called the bandit king.

 

[Thief]

That's why David is called the bandit king.

I thought that label was dealt after....
David took the show bread of the temple and gave it to his hungered men

 

[oldbadger]

Have you been to Jerusalem? It was tiny.. A whistlestop on the trade route.. bandit territory. That's why David is called the bandit king.

You have not taken enough notice of how people lived, around 30AD. The Temple was huge, the city was large for those times, and the surrounding area was full of people..... you just haven'tr figured out how they lived.

And your timeline jumps all over the place. To show something in 30AD you rush off a thousand years, or more.

And you sometimes laugh at those around you, I think?

Why don't you start at the beginning? Start at Nazareth?
How big was Nazareth and why was it settled at all?
Start there, and let's see if you can gain anything from this.

 

[sooda]

You have not taken enough notice of how people lived, around 30AD. The Temple was huge, the city was large for those times, and the surrounding area was full of people..... you just haven'tr figured out how they lived.

And your timeline jumps all over the place. To show something in 30AD you rush off a thousand years, or more.

And you sometimes laugh at those around you, I think?

Why don't you start at the beginning? Start at Nazareth?
How big was Nazareth and why was it settled at all?
Start there, and let's see if you can gain anything from this.

What was the population of Nazareth during Jesus' time ...
https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-population-of-Nazareth-during...
Dec 21, 2018 · What was the population of Nazareth during Jesus' time? About 400 according to archeologists estimates. However, do you know what a regional service town is? Basically, a regional service town provides resources to nearby major cities.

First century Nazareth was built on porous rock. There were underground cisterns for water, vats for oil, and silos for grain. It was a farming community, so you have to factor in outlying farms into your number counts, to get an idea of the population for the area.

 

[sooda]

A minimalist view is taken by Hillel Geva, who estimates from archaeological evidence that the population of Jerusalem before its 70 CE destruction was at most 20,000.

another source:

A high, thick, gray stone wall encircled Jerusalem. It had been damaged, repaired and enlarged over the centuries, and in Jesus' day it was about 4 miles in circumference, bringing about 25,000 people into an area about a square mile. At intervals along the wall were massive gateways. Just inside each gate was a customs station, where publicans collected taxes on all goods entering or leaving the city.

https://www.bible-history.com/jerusalem/firstcenturyjerusalem_jerusalem_temple.html

 

[oldbadger]

What was the population of Nazareth during Jesus' time ...
https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-population-of-Nazareth-during...
Dec 21, 2018 · What was the population of Nazareth during Jesus' time? About 400 according to archeologists estimates. However, do you know what a regional service town is? Basically, a regional service town provides resources to nearby major cities.

First century Nazareth was built on porous rock. There were underground cisterns for water, vats for oil, and silos for grain. It was a farming community, so you have to factor in outlying farms into your number counts, to get an idea of the population for the area.

Good.
So Nazareth was a service 'community' for a more important place.
Do you know which place?
Do you know who the people were who lived on Nazareth?
Do you know why they lived on Nazareth?
Do you know what they lived in? (There is only one building foundation on Nazareth from this period).

But you are wrong about Nazareth being a farming community. The people of Nazareth (mostly) did other work than that. They must have been bringing in a lot of their food from the plains and surrounding areas. Or maybe they went down on to the plain to plant and (later) gather in crops. But the plains were dangerous.,

Where did they work?

 

[sooda]

Good.
So Nazareth was a service 'community' for a more important place.
Do you know which place?
Do you know who the people were who lived on Nazareth?
Do you know why they lived on Nazareth?
Do you know what they lived in? (There is only one building foundation on Nazareth from this period).

But you are wrong about Nazareth being a farming community. The people of Nazareth (mostly) did other work than that. They must have been bringing in a lot of their food from the plains and surrounding areas. Or maybe they went down on to the plain to plant and (later) gather in crops. But the plains were dangerous.,

Where did they work?

Sepphoris was nearby.

Nazareth was a little village.

ALL ABOUT THE BIBLE » NAZARETH – the people of JESUS’ HOME TOWN

The people of Nazareth were not rich like some of the people in nearby Sepphoris, but neither were they abjectly poor.

The land in Galilee was rich agricultural country, and the diet was healthy.

They wove and sewed all their own clothes, and lived in simple houses which hardly altered from generation to generation.

 

[sooda]

Palestinian censuses. - adespicabletruce.org.uk

adespicabletruce.org.uk/page62.html

However, according to the data of Karpat, cited here, in the Ottoman Turkish Census of 1893, there were 371,959 Muslims and 42,689 Christians, for a total of 414,648 Arab Palestinians, and only about 9,000 Jews.

According to Beinin and Hajjar the Turkish census for 1878 listed 462,465 Turkish subjects in the Jerusalem, Nablus and Acre districts: 403,795 Muslims (including Druze), 43,659 Christians and 15,011 Jews.

In addition, there were at least 10,000 Jews with foreign citizenship (recent immigrants to the country), and several thousand Muslim Arab nomads (Bedouin) who were not counted as Ottoman subjects.

 

[oldbadger]

Sepphoris was nearby.

Nazareth was a little village.

ALL ABOUT THE BIBLE » NAZARETH – the people of JESUS’ HOME TOWN

The people of Nazareth were not rich like some of the people in nearby Sepphoris, but neither were they abjectly poor.

The land in Galilee was rich agricultural country, and the diet was healthy.

They wove and sewed all their own clothes, and lived in simple houses which hardly altered from generation to generation.

I cannot reply for another6 hours, but I will reply.

 

[sooda]

I cannot reply for another6 hours, but I will reply.

By the time of Christ more Jews lived outside of Palestine than in Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Alexandria, Aleppo, Damascus, Persia, Elephantine Island, Rome and all around the Mediterranean... Also in Yemen.

 

[oldbadger]

By the time of Christ more Jews lived outside of Palestine than in Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Alexandria, Aleppo, Damascus, Persia, Elephantine Island, Rome and all around the Mediterranean... Also in Yemen.

Irrelevant ........... We were about to talk about the low-lying Galilean plain and rock-hills that protruded from it, and the history surrounding these from circa 10BC to 10AD.

 

[sooda]

Irrelevant ........... We were about to talk about the low-lying Galilean plain and rock-hills that protruded from it, and the history surrounding these from circa 10BC to 10AD.

Sepphoris and Tiberias Were Antipas' Jewels


When Herod Antipas took over Galilee in Jesus' time, it was a rural region on Judea's margins. Larger towns such as Bethsaida, a fishing center on the Sea of Galilee, could hold as many as 2,000 to 3,000 people.

However, most people lived in small villages such as Nazareth, the home of Jesus' foster father Joseph and his mother Mary, and Capernaum, the village where Jesus' ministry was centered. The populations of these hamlets rarely rose above 400 people, according to archaeologist Jonathan L. Reed in his book, The Harper Collins Visual Guide to the New Testament.

Herod Antipas transformed sleepy Galilee by building bustling urban centers of government, commerce, and recreation. The crown jewels of his building program were Tiberias and Sepphoris, known today as Tzippori. Tiberias on the shore of the Sea of Galilee was a lakeside resort that Antipas built to honor his patron, his patron Tiberius, who succeeded Caesar Augustus in A.D. 14.

Sepphoris, however, was an urban renewal project. The city had been a regional center before, but it was destroyed by order of Quinctilius Varus, the Roman governor of Syria when dissidents opposed to Antipas (who was in Rome at the time) seized the palace and terrorized the region. Herod Antipas had enough vision to see that the city could be restored and expanded, giving him another urban center for Galilee.

The Socioeconomic Impact Was Enormous

Professor Reed wrote that the socioeconomic impact of Antipas' two cities of Galilee in Jesus' time was enormous. As had the public works projects of Antipas' father, Herod the Great, building Sepphoris and Tiberias provided steady work for Galileans who previously had subsisted on agriculture and fishing.

What's more, archaeological evidence has indicated that within one generation - the very time of Jesus - some 8,000 to 12,000 people moved into Sepphoris and Tiberias. While there is no archaeological evidence to support the theory, some biblical historians surmise that as carpenters, Jesus and his foster father Joseph could have worked in Sepphoris, some nine miles north of Nazareth.

Historians have long noted the far-reaching effects that this kind of mass migration has on people. There would have been a need for farmers to grow more food to feed the people in Sepphoris and Tiberias, so they would have needed to acquire more land, often through tenant farming or mortgage. If their crops failed, they might have become indentured servants to pay off their debts.

Farmers also would have needed to hire more day laborers to till their fields, pick their crops and tend their flocks and herds, all situations that appear in Jesus' parables, such as the story known as the parable of the prodigal son in Luke 15. Herod Antipas also would have needed more taxes to build and maintain the cities, so more tax collectors and a more efficient system of taxation would have been necessary.


All of these economic changes could be behind the many stories and parables in the New Testament regarding debt, taxation and other money matters.
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What Was Galilee Like When Jesus Was Alive?


Herod Antipas transformed sleepy Galilee by