Hypothetical scenario for a world without religion

[Audie]

Rather, then snuff out the soul, the person, there will be ' healing ' for them according to Revelation 22:2.
Instead of afterlife ( meaning more alive after death then before death ) the Bible teaches: Resurrection.
In death, there is No double jeopardy nor post-mortem penalty for anyone as per Romans 6:23; Romans 6:7.
After being resurrected and having a healthy body of sound mind an heart then one will have a conscience that can lean toward / righteousness, and he can become part of the humble meek who will inherit the Earth.
Inherit a healthy Earth as described in Isaiah 35th chapter when No one will say, " I am sick...." - Isaiah 33:24.
So, according to the Bible we can imagine or picture a beautiful coming paradisical Earth of health and happiness.

On problem we have making much of your belief
in this, is that you also believe in such that is
demonstrably nonsense.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Rather, then snuff out the soul, the person, there will be ' healing ' for them according to Revelation 22:2.
Instead of afterlife ( meaning more alive after death then before death ) the Bible teaches: Resurrection.
In death, there is No double jeopardy nor post-mortem penalty for anyone as per Romans 6:23; Romans 6:7.
After being resurrected and having a healthy body of sound mind an heart then one will have a conscience that can lean toward / righteousness, and he can become part of the humble meek who will inherit the Earth.
Inherit a healthy Earth as described in Isaiah 35th chapter when No one will say, " I am sick...." - Isaiah 33:24.
So, according to the Bible we can imagine or picture a beautiful coming paradisical Earth of health and happiness.

Could be.

 

[charlie sc]

The two things you said here are starkly different.

All society can do is try to protect itself from trail of destruction they leave in their wake, whether it be broken hearts, empty wallets, or dead bodies.

VS.

You can cut the violence and recidivism. But you cannot cure the psychopathy.

You do notice the difference, right? Then you continue to say it'll be a miracle to fix them, they are evil and god will most likely snuff out their soul. Coming from someone who interacts with these people, your attitude is absolutely shocking. Your judgement is final and resolute, but this is not the consensus of the scientific community, nor does science make absolute claims. However, I can understand your stance since you've included religion in your conclusion and your guidebook is 20+ years out of date.

This is why you can say that those with antisocial personality disorder are psychopaths (or sociopaths, since the terms are interchangeable). But you can't say that all psychopaths have antisocial personality disorder.

I'll quote some passages from studies showing the problems with this definition and any final judgement you seem to take so readily:

"While significant advances have been made by scientists to understand the etiology and nature of psychopaths, several questions still remain unanswered, related to its clear definition and identification. Considering the current ‘status quo’ of the psychiatric, psychological, genetic, neuroscientific and criminological literature, there is not a strong and consistent scientific basis for reconsidering the current legal treatment of psychopaths. Therefore, they should continue to be held fully responsible in the eyes of the law. We do not close the door, of course, to further advances in research, particularly regarding psychopaths in the Factor 2 group, also called ‘secondary psychopaths’ or ‘sociopaths’, who would be more likely to meet criteria, at least, for a mitigation, considering their supposed cognitive and volitional deficits" https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160252717300523

"Are psychopaths treatable? It appears that at least some of those in the criminal justice system respond much as other offenders do to treatments that make it less likely they will Misunderstanding Psychopathy be reconvicted. But unfounded confidence about untreatability, coupled with confusion about how psychopathy is defined, and what aspects of that definition may affect treatability are issues that thus far have limited research bearing on this question. The treatment of psychopathy itself remains largely uninvestigated using scientific methods. Although it may be of peripheral interest to the workings of the criminal justice system with its typically narrow focus on recidivism, overlap between psychopathy and other personality disorders (Skeem, Poythress, Edens, Lilienfeld, & Cale, 2003) suggests that inquiry into the treatment of psychopathy may benefit all therapeutic work with those whose personality pathology has the potential to be harmful to both themselves and others." https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2015-40608-002

"A proper assessment of the efficacy of this technique would, however, require focused longitudinal studies documenting adaptive changes in brain circuitry using functional imaging techniques. If such techniques are demonstrated to be successful, it would help to confirm developmental flexibility in the outcomes of this disorder and provide a more optimistic outlook for those who are neuropsychologically impaired in their ability to acquire key social implements such as conscience, empathy, and moral reasoning." Psychopathy: Developmental Perspectives and their Implications for Treatment

And finally

"Only very recent studies have compared predatory versus impulsive offenders, basing group classification on volumetric measures of gray matter.172,173 These studies show that whereas impulsive offenders can be treated with existing therapies, traditional treatments for predatory offenders may be useless. The interpersonal and affective aspects of psychopathy have only very recently come to the attention of treatment theories and remain to be addressed in actual interventions." and, "psychopathy remain poorly understood, it is clear that an important relationship exists between empathy and PV(calculated/instrumental,),which may be essential in the development of treatments for this disorder." The Dialectic Between Empathy and Violence: An Opportunity for Intervention? - PubMed - NCBI

Highlighted in bold are, what I think, especially important.

Your replies have become steadily more neutral than your initial post, therefore, I'll take that as more of an apology on your part and learned response. If your initial post was not so incredibly damning and judgemental, I would not have even replied. If you said it's unlikely they can be treated, then that's fairly acceptable, but that's not what you said.

Thanks for the discussion

 

[Trailblazer]

Then, if someone lives a good life, even better than a pious person by helping the poor, altruistic, etc, but they do not praise/worship god nor are they religious, do they still get to go to Heaven?

Wow, that is a loaded question...

I have to answer that I don’t know. According to Baha’i beliefs, heaven is nearness to God, and the way we get near to God is through the Manifestation of God (what I refer to as a Messenger).

It just so happens that a Baha’i asked the Guardian of the Baha’i Faith this question and below was his answer... Mind you, Baha’is do not believe that heaven is a geographical location, but rather a state of the soul, and we can be in heaven in this earthly life as well as in the afterlife...

"To 'get to heaven' as you say is dependent on two things--faith in the Manifestation of God in His Day, in other words in this age in Bahá'u'lláh; and good deeds, in other words living to the best of our ability a noble life and doing unto others as we would be done by. But we must always remember that our existence and everything we have or ever will have is dependent upon the mercy of God and His bounty, and therefore He can accept into His heaven, which is really nearness to Him, even the lowliest if He pleases. We always have the hope of receiving His mercy if we reach out for it."

(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, January 12, 1957)
Lights of Guidance (second part): A Bahá'í Reference File​

 

[charlie sc]

I have to answer that I don’t know.

This answer made sense and I appreciated

"To 'get to heaven' as you say is dependent on two things--faith in the Manifestation of God in His Day, in other words in this age in Bahá'u'lláh; and good deeds, in other words living to the best of our ability a noble life and doing unto others as we would be done by. But we must always remember that our existence and everything we have or ever will have is dependent upon the mercy of God and His bounty, and therefore He can accept into His heaven, which is really nearness to Him, even the lowliest if He pleases. We always have the hope of receiving His mercy if we reach out for it."

(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, January 12, 1957)
Lights of Guidance (second part): A Bahá'í Reference File

This was a bit, hmmm. I translated as you need to worship/praise god to get into heaven(your soul non-geographical location version), but that's not necessary since anyone("even the lowliest") can get there, because it depends on God's mood.

Cool

I said anyone because of this, "even the lowliest," and his mood because you said this, "He pleases.", "hope of receiving His mercy," and, "dependent upon the mercy of God and His bounty".

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Your replies have become steadily more neutral than your initial post, therefore, I'll take that as more of an apology on your part and learned response. If your initial post was not so incredibly damning and judgemental, I would not have even replied. If you said it's unlikely they can be treated, then that's fairly acceptable, but that's not what you said.

Thanks for the discussion

My replies have become more nuanced, but my opinions are the same. Because you have more knowledge of them, I can give more detail. But I stick to what I said that what has traditionally been called evil is the same as what is called sociopathic today.

Also, although I do think that they can sometimes respond to treatment, if you approach it from the point of view of being more successfully self advocating, they are nevertheless VERY resistant to treatment. Most never ever see a therapist in the first place, which is why I was saying that the best society can hope for is to pick up the pieces they leave in their wake. You can't force someone into therapy if they've broken no laws, but there's a heck of a lot of damage a person can do as a law abiding citizen.

Considering the harm they do to people, I'm curious why you are defending them.

 

[Trailblazer]

Trailblazer said:"To 'get to heaven' as you say is dependent on two things--faith in the Manifestation of God in His Day, in other words in this age in Bahá'u'lláh; and good deeds, in other words living to the best of our ability a noble life and doing unto others as we would be done by. But we must always remember that our existence and everything we have or ever will have is dependent upon the mercy of God and His bounty, and therefore He can accept into His heaven, which is really nearness to Him, even the lowliest if He pleases. We always have the hope of receiving His mercy if we reach out for it."

(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, January 12, 1957)
Lights of Guidance (second part): A Bahá'í Reference File

Charlie said:This was a bit, hmmm. I translated as you need to worship/praise god to get into heaven(your soul non-geographical location version), but that's not necessary since anyone("even the lowliest") can get there, because it depends on God's mood.

Cool

I said anyone because of this, "even the lowliest," and his mood because you said this, "He pleases.", "hope of receiving His mercy," and, "dependent upon the mercy of God and His bounty".

It means that it is possible for anyone to get to heaven because it depends upon God’s mercy and bounty. Indeed, everything in the world depends upon God’s mercy and bounty.

“What outpouring flood can compare with the stream of His all-embracing grace, and what blessing can excel the evidences of so great and pervasive a mercy? There can be no doubt whatever that if for one moment the tide of His mercy and grace were to be withheld from the world, it would completely perish.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 68​

God can give us anything He wishes to according to His grace and bounty because God is All-Powerful.

“God witnesseth that there is no God but Him, the Gracious, the Best-Beloved. All grace and bounty are His. To whomsoever He will He giveth whatsoever is His wish. He, verily, is the All-Powerful, the Almighty, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 73​

The quote said: “He can accept into His heaven, which is really nearness to Him, even the lowliest if He pleases. We always have the hope of receiving His mercy if we reach out for it.”

That means that God can bring us closer to Him if we reach out to Him so the requirement is that we want to be close to God. In that case, we have the hope of receiving His mercy, but there is no guarantee. Everything we get is according to God’s Will.

“Say: O people! Let not this life and its deceits deceive you, for the world and all that is therein is held firmly in the grasp of His Will. He bestoweth His favor on whom He willeth, and from whom He willeth He taketh it away. He doth whatsoever He chooseth.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 209​

“Say: He ordaineth as He pleaseth, by virtue of His sovereignty, and doeth whatsoever He willeth at His own behest. He shall not be asked of the things it pleaseth Him to ordain. He, in truth, is the Unrestrained, the All-Powerful, the All-Wise.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p, 284​

We can do nothing about what God chooses to ordain but we can increase our chances of getting in God’s good favor by trying to align our will with God’s Will and by praying to God.

This is a very important subject and we can discuss it further if you want to. I often call it “God 101 stuff.”

 

[charlie sc]

My replies have become more nuanced, but my opinions are the same. Because you have more knowledge of them, I can give more detail. But I stick to what I said that what has traditionally been called evil is the same as what is called sociopathic today.

Also, although I do think that they can sometimes respond to treatment, if you approach it from the point of view of being more successfully self advocating, they are nevertheless VERY resistant to treatment. Most never ever see a therapist in the first place, which is why I was saying that the best society can hope for is to pick up the pieces they leave in their wake. You can't force someone into therapy if they've broken no laws, but there's a heck of a lot of damage a person can do as a law abiding citizen.

Considering the harm they do to people, I'm curious why you are defending them.

There are a few reasons why I defend this. Here is one quote from one of the studies I linked that somewhat answers this -

""and make up 15 percent of the prison population. They are responsible for at least half of the persistent serious and violent crimes committed in North America. Yet… not all psychopaths turn to a life of crime, and not all criminals are psychopaths. Psychopaths can be just ‘snakes in suits’.” These alarming claims, presented to the public by key experts in the field as facts, are representative of the unsettling picture of psychopathy currently developing in society. Fueled by increasing negative media attention, these messages, along with mounting evidence for supposed neurobiological markers of psychopathy, may influence, or may have already begun to influence, decisions made by policy makers and courts. The question is: Is the concept of psychopathy clear enough and is there currently sufficient empirical evidence to support these assumptions and to justify this influence?"" https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160252717300523

If it's as simple as biological markers, then they should be treated as such: people who are not capable of living peacefully in society, but it's not by choice. Should they all be put into one group without being clear on who can be helped and who cant? No, this subject needs to be studied in more detail.
I also think it is vitally important to remove any ill conceived stigmas. It's demonstrated, unequivocally, the treatment of people reflect their behaviour. For instance, Harry Harlow's experiments, Mary Ainsworth's observations of children, studies suggesting copying behaviour from abused children, and the vast arrays of studies showing the effects of stigmatised groups. Therefore, some of what may be going on is self-fulfilling prophecies. Humane treatments are always preferable, but if this cannot help, why oh why attach stigmas? To feel good about yourself? I think so. Btw, even though I'm a cute corgi, I do bite. I think you should watch this documentary about a different approach to helping those incarcerated.

 

[charlie sc]

It means that it is possible for anyone to get to heaven because it depends upon God’s mercy and bounty. Indeed, everything in the world depends upon God’s mercy and bounty.

“What outpouring flood can compare with the stream of His all-embracing grace, and what blessing can excel the evidences of so great and pervasive a mercy? There can be no doubt whatever that if for one moment the tide of His mercy and grace were to be withheld from the world, it would completely perish.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 68​

God can give us anything He wishes to according to His grace and bounty because God is All-Powerful.

“God witnesseth that there is no God but Him, the Gracious, the Best-Beloved. All grace and bounty are His. To whomsoever He will He giveth whatsoever is His wish. He, verily, is the All-Powerful, the Almighty, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 73​

The quote said: “He can accept into His heaven, which is really nearness to Him, even the lowliest if He pleases. We always have the hope of receiving His mercy if we reach out for it.”

That means that God can bring us closer to Him if we reach out to Him so the requirement is that we want to be close to God. In that case, we have the hope of receiving His mercy, but there is no guarantee. Everything we get is according to God’s Will.

“Say: O people! Let not this life and its deceits deceive you, for the world and all that is therein is held firmly in the grasp of His Will. He bestoweth His favor on whom He willeth, and from whom He willeth He taketh it away. He doth whatsoever He chooseth.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 209​

“Say: He ordaineth as He pleaseth, by virtue of His sovereignty, and doeth whatsoever He willeth at His own behest. He shall not be asked of the things it pleaseth Him to ordain. He, in truth, is the Unrestrained, the All-Powerful, the All-Wise.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p, 284​

We can do nothing about what God chooses to ordain but we can increase our chances of getting in God’s good favor by trying to align our will with God’s Will and by praying to God.

This is a very important subject and we can discuss it further if you want to. I often call it “God 101 stuff.”

Well, this is your God 101 stuff. I once met a couple that made their own denomination from Christianity and thought everyone was going to Heaven. It just takes longer for some. So basically, for the Bahá'í Faith, one need to hope God is in a good mood on the day of their death.

Ok cool. I don't think this needs further explanation. I'm not passing if of as not important but it's not important for me, because god probably does not exist for me. I was more curious what you thought.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

On problem we have making much of your belief
in this, is that you also believe in such that is
demonstrably nonsense.

I do Not find it nonsense that mankind in over 6,000 years can't establish Peace on Earth.
I do Not find it nonsense that most people say they want peace and there is Not more Peace on Earth.
I do Not find it nonsense that the majority now have a self-centered distorted form of love as per 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
I do Not find it nonsense that Christ-like love as defined at 1 Corinthians 1:4-6 is Not common place.
I do Not find it nonsense that the work Jesus said would be done at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 is now accomplished.

 

[Audie]

I do Not find it nonsense that mankind in over 6,000 years can't establish Peace on Earth.
I do Not find it nonsense that most people say they want peace and there is Not more Peace on Earth.
I do Not find it nonsense that the majority now have a self-centered distorted form of love as per 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
I do Not find it nonsense that Christ-like love as defined at 1 Corinthians 1:4-6 is Not common place.
I do Not find it nonsense that the work Jesus said would be done at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 is now accomplished.

Terrif.
But surely you know that is not the kind of
thing I was talking about. Right? Uh, you
like, do realize that?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Well, this is your God 101 stuff. I once met a couple that made their own denomination from Christianity and thought everyone was going to Heaven. It just takes longer for some. So basically, for the Bahá'í Faith, one need to hope God is in a good mood on the day of their death.
Ok cool. I don't think this needs further explanation. I'm not passing if of as not important but it's not important for me, because god probably does not exist for me. I was more curious what you thought.

To me, it is Not a ' denomination from Christianity ' but rather from ' Christendom'.
There is a BIG difference between 1st century Christian teachings and ' Christendom '.
Christendom is mostly so-called Christian, and often goes by church teaching or church customs over Scripture.
Christendom just teaches their customs or traditions as being Scripture but is Not Scripture - Matthew 15:9

Those called to heaven are resurrected there in no time flat - Revelation 20:6.
As with the ' twinkling of an eye ' they have that first or earlier resurrection.
The rest or majority or mankind ' sleep' in death until Resurrection Day.
Resurrection Day meaning Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth.
That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts 24:15 that there ' IS GOING TO BE ' a resurrection.......

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Terrif.
But surely you know that is not the kind of
thing I was talking about. Right? Uh, you
like, do realize that?

I do Not find Christian marriage standards to be nonsense regardless of what the world says about it.
God forces No one to abide by His standards or principles. We are all free to choose.

 

[Audie]

I do Not find Christian marriage standards to be nonsense regardless of what the world says about it.
God forces No one to abide by His standards or principles. We are all free to choose.

You dont need to eep demonstrating that
you will not or cannot engage on topic.
Just forget it.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

"To 'get to heaven' as you say is dependent on two things--faith in the Manifestation of God in His Day, in other words in this age in Bahá'u'lláh; and good deeds, in other words living to the best of our ability a noble life and doing unto others as we would be done by. But we must always remember that our existence and everything we have or ever will have is dependent upon the mercy of God and His bounty, and therefore He can accept into His heaven, which is really nearness to Him, even the lowliest if He pleases. We always have the hope of receiving His mercy if we reach out for it."
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, January 12, 1957)​

I find even an atheist can be a neighborly good Samaritan. Anyone can do good deeds.
In Scripture, it depends on God's calling a person to be part of reigning with Jesus in heaven.
God does the calling, the selecting, that is out of man's hands regardless of good secular deeds.
Mercy is extended to whether one is of a heavenly calling - Revelation 20:6; 5:9-10,
Or, called to be part of the humble meek people who will inherit the Earth - Psalms 37:9-11.

​

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You dont need to eep demonstrating that
you will not or cannot engage on topic.
Just forget it.

The world is basically without religion already, so the 'scenario for a world without religion' is the world we live in.
This is because claims to be religious is mostly just that a claim.

 

[charlie sc]

To me, it is Not a ' denomination from Christianity ' but rather from ' Christendom'.
There is a BIG difference between 1st century Christian teachings and ' Christendom '.
Christendom is mostly so-called Christian, and often goes by church teaching or church customs over Scripture.
Christendom just teaches their customs or traditions as being Scripture but is Not Scripture - Matthew 15:9

Those called to heaven are resurrected there in no time flat - Revelation 20:6.
As with the ' twinkling of an eye ' they have that first or earlier resurrection.
The rest or majority or mankind ' sleep' in death until Resurrection Day.
Resurrection Day meaning Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth.
That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts 24:15 that there ' IS GOING TO BE ' a resurrection.......

Very interesting thanks. Well, they were looking at some Greek translation of the scripture and thought fire meant being cleansed. I dunno.
Arguing about this stuff is like arguing the nuances and mechanics of the Game of Thrones universe, but instead this topic incredibly boring and people take it too seriously.

You know what you call a prediction that has no specific date? Useless.

Here's some nice quotes from Terry Pratchett

“HUMAN BEINGS MAKE LIFE SO INTERESTING. DO YOU KNOW, THAT IN A UNIVERSE SO FULL OF WONDERS, THEY HAVE MANAGED TO INVENT BOREDOM. (Death)”

“Evil begins when you begin to treat people as things.”

“I'd rather be a rising ape than a falling angel.”

“There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.”

“...inside every old person is a young person wondering what happened.”

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Very interesting thanks. Well, they were looking at some Greek translation of the scripture and thought fire meant being cleansed. I dunno.
Arguing about this stuff is like arguing the nuances and mechanics of the Game of Thrones universe, but instead this topic incredibly boring and people take it too seriously.
You know what you call a prediction that has no specific date? Useless.
Here's some nice quotes from Terry Pratchett
“HUMAN BEINGS MAKE LIFE SO INTERESTING. DO YOU KNOW, THAT IN A UNIVERSE SO FULL OF WONDERS, THEY HAVE MANAGED TO INVENT BOREDOM. (Death)”
“Evil begins when you begin to treat people as things.”
“I'd rather be a rising ape than a falling angel.”
“There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.”
“...inside every old person is a young person wondering what happened.”

True, we do Not know the day or the time, but we do know the season.
Jesus said when you see buds appear you know summer is near, so with the state of affairs today.
We are at the ' final phase ' of proclaiming the good news of Matthew 24:14 to the world about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 being the solution to mankind's troubles.
That means we are nearing the ' final signal ', so to speak, when the ' powers that be ' will be saying, " Peace and Security...." as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
We may have difficulty finding our keys, but the key to unlock the good news about God's kingdom is found in the pages of Scripture.

 

[charlie sc]

True, we do Not know the day or the time, but we do know the season.
Jesus said when you see buds appear you know summer is near, so with the state of affairs today.
We are at the ' final phase ' of proclaiming the good news of Matthew 24:14 to the world about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 being the solution to mankind's troubles.
That means we are nearing the ' final signal ', so to speak, when the ' powers that be ' will be saying, " Peace and Security...." as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
We may have difficulty finding our keys, but the key to unlock the good news about God's kingdom is found in the pages of Scripture.

Yes, indeed. I mean that religious text is boring and Game of Thrones in entertaining Greek mythology and Norse mythology is certainly interesting. At least I can relate to the characters a lot more. But, ummm, thank you for that prediction. You take this stuff too seriously.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

There are a few reasons why I defend this. Here is one quote from one of the studies I linked that somewhat answers this -

""and make up 15 percent of the prison population. They are responsible for at least half of the persistent serious and violent crimes committed in North America. Yet… not all psychopaths turn to a life of crime, and not all criminals are psychopaths. Psychopaths can be just ‘snakes in suits’.” These alarming claims, presented to the public by key experts in the field as facts, are representative of the unsettling picture of psychopathy currently developing in society. Fueled by increasing negative media attention, these messages, along with mounting evidence for supposed neurobiological markers of psychopathy, may influence, or may have already begun to influence, decisions made by policy makers and courts. The question is: Is the concept of psychopathy clear enough and is there currently sufficient empirical evidence to support these assumptions and to justify this influence?"" https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160252717300523

If it's as simple as biological markers, then they should be treated as such: people who are not capable of living peacefully in society, but it's not by choice. Should they all be put into one group without being clear on who can be helped and who cant? No, this subject needs to be studied in more detail.
I also think it is vitally important to remove any ill conceived stigmas. It's demonstrated, unequivocally, the treatment of people reflect their behaviour. For instance, Harry Harlow's experiments, Mary Ainsworth's observations of children, studies suggesting copying behaviour from abused children, and the vast arrays of studies showing the effects of stigmatised groups. Therefore, some of what may be going on is self-fulfilling prophecies. Humane treatments are always preferable, but if this cannot help, why oh why attach stigmas? To feel good about yourself? I think so. Btw, even though I'm a cute corgi, I do bite. I think you should watch this documentary about a different approach to helping those incarcerated.

This still doesn't explain to me why you seem to be defending people who cause a lot of harm to people. I was the one to say that it was biological. It doesn't negate the damage. It must be faced realistically.