Leftist Nannyism continues in the People's Republic of New York

[Shadow Wolf]

They make Great Kites and hot air balloons.

Kites and hot air balloons tend to typically see more than one use that is very limited and short.
Really, plastic shopping bags like most states still have is just wasteful and dumb. They collect in your house, they end up all over the place including drifting along through the air, and it's a huge needless resource drain. People are used to them, but they don't realize how it's just not even an inconvenience when you don't have them "just there" ready for everything. And it's a money saving thing, as businesses aren't having to spend money on tons of bags.
Truly, everybody wins. Less resource use, less environmental destruction, less money business spend, less pollution, less garbage, and you need do nothing more than grab some bags when you grab everything else you need when you leave to run errands. Not that hard. Or is "personal responsibility" too much in this case?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I bought my wife a leather tote bag for shopping, AOC would be so proud of us for doing our part with helping eliminate some cow's environmentally destructive farting. ...

Cows, pigs, dogs.....we needn't unfairly blame cows or imply blame because we foolishly raise excessive amounts of them. Cows, and their farts, aren't killing us. Mega-agrifarming is.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I bought my wife a leather tote bag for shopping, AOC would be so proud of us for doing our part with helping eliminate some cow's environmentally destructive farting. ...

I didn't even think of that angle.

That explains last year.

Governor Cuomo Announces $30 Million in Farmland Protection Opportunities for New York's Dairy Farms

I heard unsubstantiated rumors of anus scrubbers to be surgically introduced into cows as part of an emissions control incentive package.

 

[Salvador]

Cows, pigs, dogs.....we needn't unfairly blame cows or imply blame because we foolishly raise excessive amounts of them. Cows, and their farts, aren't killing us. Mega-agrifarming is.

If there are too many cows, wouldn't making leather tote bags out of them be good for the environment?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If there are too many cows, wouldn't making leather tote bags out of them be good for the environment?

I'm actually a big fan of leather because of its longevity. It may be the skin of an animal, but a leather coat will probably last you the rest of your life, unlike coats made of other materials (and subsequently contribute to using more resources overall whereas the leather coat or bag is still at the resources used for just that one coat or bag).

 

[dianaiad]

Just an interjection.

In California grocery stores we can still get plastic bags; stronger ones than we used to get for free, mind you; they are now 'reusable.' For ten cents. Now I am, personally, for reusing plastic bags and being responsible consumers. I have used and reused plastic bags from the grocery store for all sorts of things, from lining trash bags to making scrubbies to crocheting rugs (yes, really...) to you name it. I don't think a single plastic bag has left my hands without having been used many, many times. I miss my free craft supplies.

Now I have to go buy plastic garbage can liners (glad bags, anybody?) and plastic dish scrubbers, and tub/bathroom/outdoor floor mats (plastic, naturally) and all the other things that I used to use the grocery bags for. For ME, then, this change is at best environmentally neutral, and at worst, worse for the environment. Mind you, I don't think that there are many people out there like me, who have a handy crochet hook ready to go. What this California ten cent tax has done for me is cost me a great deal of money, but has saved me some time, I suppose. I just have to purchase the replacement plastic.

Oh, and reusable bags for shopping, which I sew or knit or crochet.

Come to think of it, why am I chiming in here at all? I'm weird and I know it. Everybody ELSE piles up the bags and then just tosses them out. Just because I never did....ah, well. If only California WOULD ban plastic bags and offer paper ones for half the price. I'd be a very happy crafter...

 

[Twilight Hue]

Kites and hot air balloons tend to typically see more than one use that is very limited and short.
Really, plastic shopping bags like most states still have is just wasteful and dumb. They collect in your house, they end up all over the place including drifting along through the air, and it's a huge needless resource drain. People are used to them, but they don't realize how it's just not even an inconvenience when you don't have them "just there" ready for everything. And it's a money saving thing, as businesses aren't having to spend money on tons of bags.
Truly, everybody wins. Less resource use, less environmental destruction, less money business spend, less pollution, less garbage, and you need do nothing more than grab some bags when you grab everything else you need when you leave to run errands. Not that hard. Or is "personal responsibility" too much in this case?

How much you want to bet that my taxes won't go down? Or see lower food prices?

The only winners are going to be the politicians, their lobbyists, and the shills sucking on the toes of their masters.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How much you want to bet that my taxes won't go down?

How would it lower your taxes? Not every good policy will.

The only winners are going to be the politicians, their lobbyists, and the shills sucking on the toes of their masters.

What really do they have to benefit from it? If it's not well received they risk re-election and if it goes over well I doubt they can get much campaign power out of it. Those who make money in things relating to plastic bags will lose, but what is gained by those who enacted this policy asides from approval from their choir?

 

[Twilight Hue]

How would it lower your taxes? Not every good policy will.

What really do they have to benefit from it? If it's not well received they risk re-election and if it goes over well I doubt they can get much campaign power out of it. Those who make money in things relating to plastic bags will lose, but what is gained by those who enacted this policy asides from approval from their choir?

Aside from votes?

The revenue. The REVENUE!!!!

 

[Father Heathen]

Plastic Bags to Be Banned in New York State

I seem to remember plastic bags coming on the scene in the day because of the destruction of forests and the habitation of animals buy liberal environmentalists and tree hugging sympathizers. All those hippie days.......

Of course in the People's Republic of New York, it's fine to return to paper bags for "ahem" a $0.05 paper bag fee. Which of course I'm sure we'll go to the 'appropriate' end-user of said fees.

Of course I'll have to dig out my soiled and dirty grocery bag that was laying under that pile of moldy rags in the corner of my garage all these years.

I can't wait to see my fellow comrades at the grocery store to see who wins the most disgusting bag contest while waiting in the breadline as the spores and viruses from everyone's filthy bags permeate the grocery store air and make everybody sick and contaminate the food.

Don't be such an offended snowflake about it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The revenue. The REVENUE!!!!

What revenue? Stores get a side effect of not having to buy so many bags and the state gets a small bit of revenue from the few people who buy bags at the store.
Would legalized and taxed cannabis be an issue because it brings in massive heaps of revenue?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Don't be such an offended snowflake about it.

Hahahaha!!

 

[Father Heathen]

Does that equal socialist left, then? Is the entire left socialist in your eyes?

To many conservatives, even moderate right-of-center are "far-left communists". Of course, if you showed these same conservatives a graph of the political spectrum their heads would explode.

 

[suncowiam]

It's not about the environment or some other noble-sounding cause. It has everything to do with exercising more control and power coupled with the raising of state 'revenue'.

It's entirely the socialist left who's responsible btw, so yes, its political.

You're incorrect of the this being entirely on the left, yet alone the socialist left.

Here's an article on the subject:
Here's A List Of Every City In The US To Ban Plastic Bags, Will Your City Be Next?

Yes, states like California and Hawaii dominates the list but you still have conservative states with conservative counties that have joined the movement.

You could have easily verified this but like so often you let your prejudice jump to conclusions.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Don't be such an offended snowflake about it.

I guess we should have let Ford continue to release faulty and dangerous models of the Pinto. "Freedom of choice," and all that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You're incorrect of the this being entirely on the left, yet alone the socialist left.

Here's an article on the subject:
Here's A List Of Every City In The US To Ban Plastic Bags, Will Your City Be Next?

Yes, states like California and Hawaii dominates the list but you still have conservative states with conservative counties that have joined the movement.

You could have easily verified this but like so often you let your prejudice jump to conclusions.

With Texas and Utah appearing on the list the idea it's a Left thing was just evicted from the room.

 

[Father Heathen]

I guess we should have let Ford continue to release faulty and dangerous models of the Pinto. "Freedom of choice," and all that.

Damned liberals also banned PCBS and DDT, which caused a slippery, slopey slide toward communism.

 

[Stevicus]

You seem to think that that's a bad thing.

It wouldn't be, if it really was the People's Republic of New York. But New York is not Communist by any standard. They're a bastion of capitalism - the heart of the beast. It's where Wall Street is. It's where the Mob was hatched. And it's the place where Trump was born.

As for "plastic bag" environmentalism - these kinds of ordinances make me think that they're doing this just to make the public believe that they're doing the right thing and truly care about the environment. It doesn't strike me as all that meaningful, and it will probably be more of an inconvenience to people than bring about any real benefit to the environment.

Most people I know keep the bags and might even have a whole cupboard full of them. You never know when they might come in handy.

Some people use cloth bags which they bring from home, although I can see where that wouldn't always be convenient. What if you're on your way home from work and need to stop off to do some shopping? Do you have to go home first and get your bags, or do you need to always keep them in your car? Or maybe can buy more bags at the store - just so they can make more money.

Maybe there was some dispute between the family that controls the cloth bag business and the family that controls the plastic bag business. They tried to negotiate and settle their differences. They even had a meeting at Loui's Restaurant in the Bronx, but they couldn't reach an agreement, and the cloth bag faction ended up winning.

 

[suncowiam]

Sure liberals care more for the environment than they do the economy but this was not a liberal only ideal.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Damned liberals also banned PCBS and DDT, which caused a slippery, slopey slide toward communism.

Clearly Al Gore must die for banning CFCs.