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Was it any use for jesus to die for sins?

ManSinha

ManSinha

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Shantanu said:
I have had a very difficult time over the past 20 years during which I was assessed as having a mental disorder of persistent delusional disorder and consequently was incarcerated in mental hospitals twice and the forced to take anti-psychotic and anti-depressant medication when out living in the Community. So I not only suffered torture but my reputation as a normal sane human being was irreparably damaged. But on the positive side it taught me a lot about the workings of the UK State so I learnt from it. That was the blessing in disguise. It had been God who had got me to do things that gave me the label of being a gross misconduct person at the University that I worked in. Prior to that I had a brilliant scientific career in having published 35 scientific papers in international journals and securing three promotions to go with my PhD and Post Graduate Diploma in Agricultural Development. So I believe that God had been within me guiding me through my life and putting me through severe trials and tribulations all for the purpose of being able to find out about advaita and the method by which one can attain God. So God was being very cruel materially to me in order to be kind to me on reflection. I would not change all that has happened to me for anything. That is my experience of God.
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Thank you for the explanation and glad you are doing better
 
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Timothy Spurlin

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ManSinha said:
I believe the coldly logical answer to that question - IMHO - is that there is none (objectively) - Miracles have been described and may have happened down the ages - is that proof of existence of a higher being? Not by today's scientific standards of reproducibility - it is indeed up to each and every one themselves with perhaps a role for how we grew up and what teachings appeal to us throughout our evolving life and experiences.

I look around and see a Universal sense pervading - is that God or The Light? I honestly could not say .....
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So all you have is subjective evidence, coming from your mind.
 
Shantanu

Shantanu

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Timothy Spurlin said:
What objective evidence have you given for God's existence?
If you don't worship god, how do you know it exist?
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I spent 20 years through a digital clock checking for messages from God to enable me to take decisions to fight with my enemies who had persecuted me. It was performed by visiting a digital clock where clock times that added up to 7 (2.41, 3.40, 5.20, 7.00, 9.07, 13.21, etc) meant that God was saying something to me to get me to do things or to simply acknowledge my course of action. Having done this over a 19 year period and obtaining very good results that enabled me to fight the evil UK State that manipulated its citizens against me to persecute me I gradually became infallible with my actions and so became God in human form as the advaitic outcome of my surrender to God. So knowing I am God in human form, I do not worship myself, although I acknowledge that God as the Supreme Being is infinite and omni-God who can do anything He wishes.
 
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Timothy Spurlin

Active Member
Shantanu said:
I spent 20 years through a digital clock checking for messages from God to enable me to take decisions to fight with my enemies who had persecuted me. It was performed by visiting a digital clock where clock times that added up to 7 (2.41, 3.40, 5.20, 7.00, 9.07, 13.21, etc) meant that God was saying something to me to get me to do things or to simply acknowledge my course of action. Having done this over a 19 year period and obtaining very good results that enabled me to fight the evil UK State that manipulated its citizens against me to persecute me I gradually became infallible with my actions and so became God in human form as the advaitic outcome of my surrender to God. So knowing I am God in human form, I do not worship myself, although I acknowledge that God as the Supreme Being is infinite and omni-God who can do anything He wishes.
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If you are god, then appear in front of me.
 
Shantanu

Shantanu

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Timothy Spurlin said:
You are a funny person, you think you are god, but you can't prove it.
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No I cannot prove it because God is evil in the way He has treated me over the past 20 years. He is cruel. I can take care of myself. I do not need Him anymore. His job to thwack the UK Justice System for persecuting me is done.
 
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Timothy Spurlin

Active Member
Shantanu said:
No I cannot prove it because God is evil in the way He has treated me over the past 20 years. He is cruel. I can take care of myself. I do not need Him anymore. His job to thwack the UK Justice System for persecuting me is done.
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LMAO! Now you don't need god after I ask you to prove you were god. Seems you are trying to distance yourself from your god claims.
 
ManSinha

ManSinha

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Timothy Spurlin said:
So all you have is subjective evidence, coming from your mind.
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Is that not an oxymoron? If something is subjective - how can it be evidence?
And No - I have faith and believe (for myself) - when entities I regard as evolved souls - have said that there is a single entity that is pervading the Universe
 
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Timothy Spurlin

Active Member
ManSinha said:
Is that not an oxymoron? If something is subjective - how can it be evidence?
And No - I have faith and believe (for myself) - when entities I regard as evolved souls - have said that there is a single entity that is pervading the Universe
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So now you admit no evidence?
You relie on faith and belief.

Faith = no evidence

What objective evidence do you have that a soul exist?
What objective evidence do you have that a single entity exist?
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Timothy Spurlin said:
Yes my life is shared with others.
I'm very happy. I live free of the guilt of sin and the fear of hell.
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To which hell are you referring______
The religious-myth hell of burning forever, or the Bible's hell which is mankind's stone-cold temporary grave _____
It is false clergy who often use 'fire ' as a scare tactic to try to control the flock of God.

A person can sin and Not feel guilt, after all we are all imperfect.
Sin is either: on purpose or not, intentional or not, premeditated or not, by accident or not.
So, when we do Not sin willfully we need Not feel guilty, but we still should feel remorseful about it.
 
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