"Virginia Senate Passes Bill Allowing Guns in Church (Because God’s Not Enough)"

[QuestioningMind]

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The Virginia State Senate passed a bill this week allowing citizens to bring their guns to church.

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Because when it’s their lives on the line, thoughts and prayers suddenly seem useless. So does trusting God, apparently.

The bill passed on a strict party-line vote, 21-19.

Before the vote, the Senate engaged in an extended debate. Republicans argued that individual churches should decide if they want guns in their pews, while Democrats warned that worshippers could wind up victimized with their own guns. Then came a spin-off debate over [the claim] claim that worshipping while armed belies a lack of faith.

“We … foolishly took prayer out of schools … and now we want to take God out of church,” [Democratic Sen. Lionell] Spruill said. “If there’s anywhere you can trust God, it should be the church. Let’s depend on God on this one. Let’s not take God out of church.”
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Hmm... makes me wonder why Virginia felt compelled to ban guns in churches in the first place. Perhaps a new generation is about to find out.

 

[Salvador]

A well-armed society is a well behaved society. There's no God who stops bullets from a functional loaded gun with a person who's willing to pull the trigger . The best remedy to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

My message reflects my opinion, which is legally supported by the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

Last year, there was a gunman who open fired in a Texas Church; fortunately, a nearby well-armed citizen stopped this massacre from getting any worse.

 

[Skwim]

A well-armed society is a well behaved society. There's no God who stops bullets from a functional loaded gun with a person who's willing to pull the trigger . The best remedy to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Well, let's see. England and Wales, in which it's almost impossible to get hold of a gun, have murder rate of 1.22 per 100,000 inhabitants, and the United kingdom as a whole has murder rate of 1.20. Whereas the United States, where guns are a dime a dozen, has a murder rate of 5.35 per 100,000 inhabitants, Almost four and a half times that of England and Wales. And strange as it may seem, I don't believe our friends here across the sea are any less well behaved than we are, and, in fact, appear to be considerably more so.

Source for figures: Wikipedia

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[Salvador]

Well, let's see. England and Wales, in which it's almost impossible to get hold of a gun, have murder rate of 1.22 per 100,000 inhabitants, and the United kingdom as a whole has murder rate of 1.20. Whereas the United States, where guns are a dime a dozen, has a murder rate of 5.35 per 100,000 inhabitants, Almost four and a half times that of England and Wales. And strange as it may seem, I don't believe our friends here across the sea are any less well behaved than we are, and, in fact, appear to be considerably more so.

Source for figures: Wikipedia

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There's about as many guns now in the United States as there are people; since there's too many guns here in the U.S. to effectively ban, we must rightfully accept guns as part of our American culture.

By the way, Switzerland has a very high gun ownership rate, but their homicide rate is lower than the countries you've mentioned. Why do you think that is so?

Another point I'd like to make. Because Switzerland has been such a well-armed society; Nazi Germany did not dare attack it.

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

As I recall, they are here.
But you spoke of open carry.
I addressed that in general.

Concealedcarry.com
Concealed Carry in Churches
By Jacob Paulsen on April 4, 2016 in Law, Politics
Updated: 3/13/18
**Features U.S. map color bars for CC Identifiers



ConcealedNation.org
Posted by CN Staff, November 6, 2017
Two States Ban Concealed Carry In Church, Seven Require Permission

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

There's about as many guns now in the United States as there are people; since there's too many guns here in the U.S. to effectively ban, we must rightfully accept guns as part of our American culture.

By the way, Switzerland has a very high gun ownership rate, but their homicide rate is lower than the countries you've mentioned. Why do you think that is so?

March 2018
A Look at Gun Sales by State | The DataFace

U.S Population 2019
328,124,008
According to the US Census Bureau's population clock, the estimated 2018 United States population (February 2018) is 327.16 million. This is a bit higher than the 329.09 million estimated by the United Nations.

BBC News
London murder rate overtakes New York's 2 April 2018

 

[shmogie]

I won't mention the TWO denominations where there is a member that is designated to carry a Gun. Where I live there is a Concealed Carry Permit, that makes it legal.

What difference does naming the denominations make. I say, bravo for them.

 

[Salvador]

If you're gonna let guns in, why not put in wifi as well, so some of the less interested can watch porn during the boring parts of the service?

Might actually put a few more bums in pews...

I'm guessing most Churches probably have some internet access; however, many of these Churches probably have restricted internet access to pornographic websites.

 

[shmogie]

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The Virginia State Senate passed a bill this week allowing citizens to bring their guns to church.

View attachment 26702​

Because when it’s their lives on the line, thoughts and prayers suddenly seem useless. So does trusting God, apparently.

The bill passed on a strict party-line vote, 21-19.

Before the vote, the Senate engaged in an extended debate. Republicans argued that individual churches should decide if they want guns in their pews, while Democrats warned that worshippers could wind up victimized with their own guns. Then came a spin-off debate over [the claim] claim that worshipping while armed belies a lack of faith.

“We … foolishly took prayer out of schools … and now we want to take God out of church,” [Democratic Sen. Lionell] Spruill said. “If there’s anywhere you can trust God, it should be the church. Let’s depend on God on this one. Let’s not take God out of church.”
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[shmogie]

I'm guessing most Churches probably have some internet access; however, many of these Churches probably have restricted internet access to pornographic websites.

You must have a point, what is it ?

 

[shmogie]

If you're gonna let guns in, why not put in wifi as well, so some of the less interested can watch porn during the boring parts of the service?

Might actually put a few more bums in pews...

So, a gun equates to pornography ? Baloney

 

[Salvador]

You must have a point, what is it ?

My point is that if you might not be able to watch internet porn in Church; but you could try internet gaming during Church service instead. ....

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

So, a gun equates to pornography ? Baloney

There was a deeper meaning, if you had chosen to look. Taking guns to church...ask yourself how that really works. To worship God, I must be armed? Pfiffle!

But to love another person, I have heard it said, is to see the face of God (Victor Hugo). So love, or any of its variants, must be much closer to religious experience than firearms, meant to kill them.

 

[shmogie]

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The Virginia State Senate passed a bill this week allowing citizens to bring their guns to church.

View attachment 26702​

Because when it’s their lives on the line, thoughts and prayers suddenly seem useless. So does trusting God, apparently.

The bill passed on a strict party-line vote, 21-19.

Before the vote, the Senate engaged in an extended debate. Republicans argued that individual churches should decide if they want guns in their pews, while Democrats warned that worshippers could wind up victimized with their own guns. Then came a spin-off debate over [the claim] claim that worshipping while armed belies a lack of faith.

“We … foolishly took prayer out of schools … and now we want to take God out of church,” [Democratic Sen. Lionell] Spruill said. “If there’s anywhere you can trust God, it should be the church. Let’s depend on God on this one. Let’s not take God out of church.”
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Once again, one of your threads showcases blatant ignorance. Ignorance of God, ignorance of the Bible, and fear of firearms, non animate objects.

God never stated he would protect believers from harm, he may, but it isn´t promised ( ignorant assumption #1 exposed). Christians are right in the national cesspool along with the rest of you.

In the Bible Christ reaffirms the right of self defense, and instructs his followers to buy personal arms for self defense, (ignorant assumption # 2 exposed).

The fear of firearms is rampant, and is about as logical as the fear of homosexuals. When I conduct training of beginning shooters, after the safety lectures, before they can touch a gun, I make them stare at one for 10 minutes. To date I have not lost one student because the gun jumped up, cocked itself, and shot them.

Killers rarely use guns they have a legal right to or that were obtained legally.

In 25 years as a LEO, I only twice removed legally owned guns from a serious criminal.

As society continues to unravel, crazy people and thugs are taking a greater and greater toll of murdered law abiding citizens. Gun free zones are especially dangerous for innocents.

If one comes to my Church, I will take whatever action necessary to neutralize any threat he may pose. If a well placed .357 hollow point is required, so be it. I praise any and all churches who, like the Knights Templars of old, have protectors in their congregations

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[shmogie]

There was a deeper meaning, if you had chosen to look. Taking guns to church...ask yourself how that really works. To worship God, I must be armed? Pfiffle!

But to love another person, I have heard it said, is to see the face of God (Victor Hugo). So love, or any of its variants, must be much closer to religious experience than firearms, meant to kill them.

Love s the goal of the Christian experience. Defending other believers is an expression of love. I can love a person that poses a deadly threat, but we all must suffer the consequences of our choices, a neutralized person that posed a deadly threat has suffered the consequence of their choice.

 

[robocop (actually)]

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The Virginia State Senate passed a bill this week allowing citizens to bring their guns to church.

View attachment 26702​

Because when it’s their lives on the line, thoughts and prayers suddenly seem useless. So does trusting God, apparently.

The bill passed on a strict party-line vote, 21-19.

Before the vote, the Senate engaged in an extended debate. Republicans argued that individual churches should decide if they want guns in their pews, while Democrats warned that worshippers could wind up victimized with their own guns. Then came a spin-off debate over [the claim] claim that worshipping while armed belies a lack of faith.

“We … foolishly took prayer out of schools … and now we want to take God out of church,” [Democratic Sen. Lionell] Spruill said. “If there’s anywhere you can trust God, it should be the church. Let’s depend on God on this one. Let’s not take God out of church.”
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The Father didn't stop the Son from bleeding from every pore, and you expect Him to cause miracles in a Church that would no doubt lead to blind worship?

 

[Skwim]

There's about as many guns now in the United States as there are people; since there's too many guns here in the U.S. to effectively ban, we must rightfully accept guns as part of our American culture.

By the way, Switzerland has a very high gun ownership rate, but their homicide rate is lower than the countries you've mentioned. Why do you think that is so?

Probably several different reasons, but whatever they may be they certainly haven't taken hold in the US of A. Just what's wrong with us Americans? Oh, never mind I know. The NRA has politicians in its back pocket.

Another point I'd like to make. Because Switzerland has been such a well-armed society; Nazi Germany did not dare attack it.

Sound's like you've been reading NRA crap.

Although at the outset of the war Hitler said he wouldn't invade neutral Switzerland, he did plan to end Switzerland's independence after the Nazis had first defeated its main enemies on the continent. Of course the reason Switzerland was never invaded was because Germany's main enemies were never defeated to Hitler's satisfaction. The American invasion of Europe put an immediate knot in Hitlers plan, forcing him to put Switzerland on the back burner, a place from which it never left. It certainly had nothing to do with the number of shotguns and hunting rifles in Switzerland.

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[Salvador]

Probably several different reasons, but whatever they may be they certainly haven't taken hold in the US of A. Just what's wrong with us Americans? Oh, never mind I know. The NRA has politicians in its back pocket.


Sound's like you've been reading NRA crap.

Although at the outset of the war Hitler said he wouldn't invade neutral Switzerland, he did plan to end Switzerland's independence after the Nazis had first defeated its main enemies on the continent. Of course the reason Switzerland was never invaded was because Germany's main enemies were never defeated to Hitler's satisfaction. The American invasion of Europe put an immediate knot in Hitlers plan, forcing him to put Switzerland on the back burner, a place from which it never left. It certainly had nothing to do with the number of shotguns and hunting rifles in Switzerland.

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Yes, I do proudly have a life-time membership to the N.R.A,; this politically powerful organization has played a vital role in protecting American citizens' Second Amendment Constitutional Rights.

 

[Skwim]

Yes, I do proudly have a life-time membership to the N.R.A,; this politically powerful organization has played a vital role in protecting American citizens' Second Amendment Constitutional Rights.

And has doubtlessly played a vital role in our deplorable first place ranking among all 15 Northern European countries, all 17 Southern European countries, all 9 Western European countries, plus Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. And you're proud to be a life-time member. Of course you are. Why wouldn't you be.

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[youknowme]

This seems politically motivated to me rather than a decision made on religious grounds.