Are you a better person now due to your faith?

[Jollybear]

I simply do not believe that because the information is readily available on cosmology sites and even wilipedia

Here is the wiki link
Chronology of the universe - Wikipedia

If that is too much much then dont bother with this one
Perimeter Institute

You dont have to believe it, im telling the truth regardless what you believe.

I could just as easily say you dont understand your own view. Because truth be told, any view that is either completely false, or just false in some area, is by default going to be confusing even to those who adhere to it. The truth is usually very easy to understand. If it takes racking your brain to figure out, your probably barking up the wrong tree. This goes for any subject in life.

I went on this site instead > Physics for Kids: Energy

Because i have a childlike brain. What can i say? Even if i wer a PHD scientist myself, guess what? Id still talk in ways that are laymen and simple. Why? Because i dont believe in talking over others head in order to bolster an ego. Its about understanding, knowledge.

In that website i gave you it said this about energy

"Law of Conservation of Energy

This law states that energy is never created or destroyed, it is only changed from one state to another. One example is the chemical energy in food that we turn into kinetic energy when we move."

 

[Jollybear]

I dont need to repeat work that has already been done, especially when the request is made by the deliberately ignorant to waste my time.

Its your view though, you should understand it better then us. And if you cant break it down, that tells me you dont even understand it.

 

[ChristineM]

Its your view though, you should understand it better then us. And if you cant break it down, that tells me you dont even understand it.

I understand it. I am not a lecturer, and i am therefore not willing to try to educate those who are uneducable in the subject, it is a waste of my time and yours

 

[Jollybear]

I understand it. I am not a lecturer, and i am therefore not willing to try to educate those who are uneducable in the subject, it is a waste of my time and yours

How do you know im uneducatable?

Also, if you dont like to break it down, whats the point of even beginning the discussion?

 

[ChristineM]

You dont have to believe it, im telling the truth regardless what you believe.

I could just as easily say you dont understand your own view. Because truth be told, any view that is either completely false, or just false in some area, is by default going to be confusing even to those who adhere to it. The truth is usually very easy to understand. If it takes racking your brain to figure out, your probably barking up the wrong tree. This goes for any subject in life.

I went on this site instead > Physics for Kids: Energy

Because i have a childlike brain. What can i say? Even if i wer a PHD scientist myself, guess what? Id still talk in ways that are laymen and simple. Why? Because i dont believe in talking over others head in order to bolster an ego. Its about understanding, knowledge.

In that website i gave you it said this about energy

"Law of Conservation of Energy

This law states that energy is never created or destroyed, it is only changed from one state to another. One example is the chemical energy in food that we turn into kinetic energy when we move."

Wrong, knowledge of the universe is understood back to 10e-43 of a second after the bb as shown in the wiki i linked for you. Of course, if it was to difficult for you then i can hardly help that.
So your idea of truth being false does not stack up in any area

And if it were easy to understand then you could understand it.

It is not a point of talking over anyones head, some concepts cannot be simplified to that extent. Condensed matter or particle physics or quantum mechanics as examples. And if you were a phd i could challenge you to put your money where your mouth is and explain in 12000 (rf post limit) characters to a layman how a universe can form from nothing in a vacuum bubble

Hence education begins in infants schoolwith easy stuff we all can understand and progresses to specific subject areas depending on the individual.

If it takes learning to figure it out some people will never figure it out.

You appear to have have a very naive view of education. But at least you are honest enough to admit it

Yes, i know the law of conservation of energy, it applies to our universe. Prior to the bb out universe did not exist.

 

[ChristineM]

How do you know im uneducatable?

Also, if you dont like to break it down, whats the point of even beginning the discussion?

Because you ignored even the basic wiki i provided as education, and i am being specific, we are talking cosmology. In other subjects you could very well be a wizz kid

You began the discussion, i did not address you, you addressed me so pleas dont try shifting it on to me

 

[Jollybear]

Wrong, knowledge of the universe is understood back to 10e-43 of a second after the bb as shown in the wiki i linked for you.

And do you understand what that math means in plain english? If so....break it down.

Of course, if it was to difficult for you then i can hardly help that.

Oh you can help that because IF you understand it, then you can break it down for me.

So your idea of truth being false does not stack up in any area

Yes, it does. Truth is comprehensible.

And if it were easy to understand then you could understand it.

Or, if i cant understand it, mayby that means the IDEA itself is false? Unless of course, YOU understand it? If so, break it down.

It is not a point of talking over anyones head, some concepts cannot be simplified to that extent.

I disagree, i can take complicated things that i TRUELY understand and break them down very simply for others to understand. In FACT, im quite good at it. Of course though, it only applies with subjects i fully understand.

Condensed matter or particle physics or quantum mechanics as examples.

Ok, if you understand it so well, why not take the time and opportunity to break it down SINCE your on a discussion board, which is its main purpose. Heck, mayby throw in some metaphors to help with understanding. Mayby that will work.

And if you were a phd i could challenge you to put your money where your mouth is and explain in 12000 (rf post limit) characters to a layman how a universe can form from nothing in a vacuum bubble

And if i was a PHD scientist, i would gladly take you up on that challenge. However, i would not be one that believed the vacuum bubble though.

Hence education begins in infants schoolwith easy stuff we all can understand and progresses to specific subject areas depending on the individual.

Let me put it like this, im gonna make a bold statement about school. Most of school is a big waste of time. Its a system that robs children of valuable work years.

All the things they really need to learn is language, simple math and reading, writing and thats it. They can learn all that in just a couple years or so. Everything else they can learn by themselves and go to work early.

So, no, i firmly disagree with you. If your idea is true, it isnt going to take a year class session to break it down. A few posts, if that.

If it takes learning to figure it out some people will never figure it out.

What do you mean? See, i did not understand that.

You appear to have have a very naive view of education. But at least you are honest enough to admit it

Its strange you consider me honest there, but not honest in my desire to understand your view.

Yes, i know the law of conservation of energy, it applies to our universe. Prior to the bb out universe did not exist.

So, its a contradiction, do i understand?

Because you ignored even the basic wiki i provided as education, and i am being specific, we are talking cosmology. In other subjects you could very well be a wizz kid

In the wiki article you gave me it saud this >

"The very early universe – the first picosecond (10−12) of cosmic time. It includes the Planck epoch, during which currently understood laws of physics may not apply;"

So, "may not apply". Sounds like they dont understand it either.

You began the discussion, i did not address you, you addressed me so pleas dont try shifting it on to me"

True, i addressed you, on another issue of you being mocked. Then it lead into this topic.

 

[ChristineM]

And do you understand what that math means in plain english? If so....break it down.



Oh you can help that because IF you understand it, then you can break it down for me.



Yes, it does. Truth is comprehensible.



Or, if i cant understand it, mayby that means the IDEA itself is false? Unless of course, YOU understand it? If so, break it down.



I disagree, i can take complicated things that i TRUELY understand and break them down very simply for others to understand. In FACT, im quite good at it. Of course though, it only applies with subjects i fully understand.



Ok, if you understand it so well, why not take the time and opportunity to break it down SINCE your on a discussion board, which is its main purpose. Heck, mayby throw in some metaphors to help with understanding. Mayby that will work.



And if i was a PHD scientist, i would gladly take you up on that challenge. However, i would not be one that believed the vacuum bubble though.



Let me put it like this, im gonna make a bold statement about school. Most of school is a big waste of time. Its a system that robs children of valuable work years.

All the things they really need to learn is language, simple math and reading, writing and thats it. They can learn all that in just a couple years or so. Everything else they can learn by themselves and go to work early.

So, no, i firmly disagree with you. If your idea is true, it isnt going to take a year class session to break it down. A few posts, if that.



What do you mean? See, i did not understand that.



Its strange you consider me honest there, but not honest in my desire to understand your view.



So, its a contradiction, do i understand?



In the wiki article you gave me it saud this >

"The very early universe – the first picosecond (10−12) of cosmic time. It includes the Planck epoch, during which currently understood laws of physics may not apply;"

So, "may not apply". Sounds like they dont understand it either.



True, i addressed you, on another issue of you being mocked. Then it lead into this topic.

What a waste of time, despite being informed of the complexity you still want it broken down into godmagid chunks. May i suggest you attend a university cosmology course for 4 or 6 years and if it can be broken down onto chunks a child or a godmagic believer would accept.




Yes you drove this topic. You asked the questions, you insisted the answers were not simple enough for you. YOU

 

[Jollybear]

What a waste of time, despite being informed of the complexity you still want it broken down into godmagid chunks. May i suggest you attend a university cosmology course for 4 or 6 years and if it can be broken down onto chunks a child or a godmagic believer would accept.

Whats the point of us being on a discussion board talking opposite views if wer not gonna go deep? Barely even go up over our feet?

Yes you drove this topic. You asked the questions, you insisted the answers were not simple enough for you. YOU

And no, it wasnt all me, some of it was you that stimulated conversation.

Post 33 as an example.

 

[ChristineM]

Whats the point of us being on a discussion board talking opposite views if wer not gonna go deep? Barely even go up over our feet?



And no, it wasnt all me, some of it was you that stimulated conversation.

You wont go deep. Whenever i have tried you have objected

Nope, i simply replied to your questions.. you want a summary or is that too deep?


Re your edit : edit post 33 was regarding atheism and a preacher. What has this to do with the chronology of the first moments of the universe

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Whats the point of us being on a discussion board talking opposite views if wer not gonna go deep? Barely even go up over our feet?

OTOH, what's the point of addressing "deep questions" with you if it's going to end up with you dodging them, twisting them, or ignoring them altogether?

 

[ChristineM]

OTOH, what's the point of addressing "deep questions" with you if it's going to end up with you dodging them, twisting them, or ignoring them altogether?

Ahh, you know him then

 

[Jollybear]

You wont go deep. Whenever i have tried you have objected

Thats just flat out false. You should know better.

Nope, i simply replied to your questions.. you want a summary or is that too deep?

I want you to break down your answers.

 

[Jollybear]

OTOH, what's the point of addressing "deep questions" with you if it's going to end up with you dodging them, twisting them, or ignoring them altogether?

And in our past discussions i have not dodged your questions, twisted them or ignored. Thats a false accusation. You also should know better.

 

[Jollybear]

Ahh, you know him then

Apparently, he nor you know me very well.

 

[ChristineM]

Apparently, he nor you know me very well.

From my brief experience of your posts it seems quite the contrary.

 

[Jollybear]

From my brief experience of your posts it seems quite the contrary.

No, from MY BRIEF experience of YOUR posts it seems quite the contrary.

 

[ChristineM]

No, from MY BRIEF experience of YOUR posts it seems quite the contrary.

How so, you will not accept relevant data.

You make childish excuses

You misrepresent

And it seems you SHOUT a lot

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

And in our past discussions i have not dodged your questions, twisted them or ignored. Thats a false accusation. You also should know better.

Offhand, I can't think of a thread where you haven't.

 

[Jollybear]

How so, you will not accept relevant data.

So i should just eccept what you say or give me without question and without UNDERSTANDING first? Really?

You make childish excuses

What was the childish excuse? If you gonna accuse falsely, point put where i made an excuse.

You misrepresent

Really? Where did i misrepresent (aka, misunderstand) and why was it a misunderstanding? Lets discuss it. Explain it.

And it seems you SHOUT a lot

Thats not shouting, thats typing an emphasis.