Today a Franco-German Axis replaces the EU

[Altfish]

We're speaking of the 80s before Maastricht when Britain had great leaders like Thatcher and a very selective immigration system.

Btw Angela Hitler and his puppet Macron are digging their grave with their own hands.
This treaty would push us Italians to react very fiercely and we will use this argument to strengthen the Brexit convictions

Your history has many gaps...
Thatcher went in 1990; Maastricht was 1992; the rise of the UK economy compared to others has continued - this is due to the EU

 

[Estro Felino]

PROJECT FEAR !!!

This EU is a failure. We are for strengthening the member states' sovereignty and to annul the Troika.

May I know why you try to belittle my country which unlike France has positive NX (net exports) and has the double of Britain's gold reserves?

 

[ChristineM]

which unlike France has positive NX (net exports) and has the double of Britain's gold reserves?

Interestingly france is the 6th most productive country in the world. The uk has droped to 13th, (i believe it was 9th a couple of years ago. Italy, well, way down the list at 20th. Why did you not mention that?

Net Exports : Germany and the EU are 2nd and 3rd respectively after China. Value wise Italy is 10th, but given its poor production efficiency (see previous paragraph) its not as good as it looks on paper. France is way down the list at 188th and the UK 2nd from the bottom at 193 after the US

Gold reserves : Much more than double i would hope, Brown murdered the uk when he sold over half the uk gold reserves close on 20 years ago.

 

[Jumi]

Before the uk joined the eu it had a poor economy, poor export performance due to antique working practices and a huge negative balance of payments (so much so the government scrapped its publication)

EU was quite different back when you joined it and it was still quite different when we joined it.

Since the brexit vote the uk economy is once again shrinking and assuming a no deal exit those living in britain can look forward to shortages last seen during and just after WW2

Yes, I'm sure EU and GB can't come up with a satisfactory deal. I remember when we had a bad economic situation and the EU wanted to save the banks that got screwed in Greece and we wanted some kind of guarantee that our "loans" would be eventually paid and we were humiliated and forced into a worse deal than the guarantee. Of course if it was the GB you had special treatment all along and they've probably forgotten how unreasonable they were with us. Of course our economy hasn't still recovered from that.

What level of catastrophe Brexit will be, depends on how rational actors in the EU and GB are. Both seem a bit incapable. Juncker joked about how he had been avoiding discussing with your PM on purpose. The worse it gets for you, the more people in other countries will "risk" leaving so the EU might consider it a win the worse you get hit by it.

How small must an economy be?

What kind of question is that? No wonder people in large economies have problems understanding how decisions effect the smaller ones.

 

[Flankerl]

The French-German Friendship really scares the hell out of the fascists in Europe.
Long gone are the days the French and Germans killed each other on the fields.
Now they work together and generally like each other.

What a horrible world we live in.


Oh and in case it wasn't clear, OP is lying.

 

[Jumi]

Net Exports : Germany and the EU are 2nd and 3rd respectively after China. Value wise Italy is 10th, but given its poor production efficiency (see previous paragraph) its not as good as it looks on paper. France is way down the list at 188th and the UK 2nd from the bottom at 193 after the U

China has an unfair advantage due to CO2 emissions, less environmental controls and oversights.

 

[Jumi]

The French-German Friendship really scares the hell out of the fascists in Europe.
Long gone are the days the French and Germans killed each other on the fields.
Now they work together and generally like each other.

It's good that they have common goals and friendship, isn't it?

What a horrible world we live in.

Yes. Everyone everyone should be happy with the French and German policies. People seem quite happy in France if we watch the news...

 

[Flankerl]

It's good that they have common goals and friendship, isn't it?

Quite preferably to how the relationship used to be.

But perhaps you prefer war that claims the life of millions. Quite disgusting but good for you.

Yes. Everyone everyone should be happy with the French and German policies. People seem quite happy in France if we watch the news...

Oh please provide evidence for German meddling that lead to the French policy of rising gasoline prices.

Please do so.

I am waiting.

 

[ChristineM]

EU was quite different back when you joined it and it was still quite different when we joined it.

Yes things progress. I am british, how about you?

Yes, I'm sure EU and GB can't come up with a satisfactory deal. I remember when we had a bad economic situation and the EU wanted to save the banks that got screwed in Greece and we wanted some kind of guarantee that our "loans" would be eventually paid and we were humiliated and forced into a worse deal than the guarantee. Of course if it was the GB you had special treatment all along and they've probably forgotten how unreasonable they were with us. Of course our economy hasn't still recovered from that.

What level of catastrophe Brexit will be, depends on how rational actors in the EU and GB are. Both seem a bit incapable. Juncker joked about how he had been avoiding discussing with your PM on purpose. The worse it gets for you, the more people in other countries will "risk" leaving so the EU might consider it a win the worse you get hit by it.

I really hope there is a satisfactory deal, rather than the no deal nightmare many british leaders are hoping for.

So saving a county from bankruptcy is humiliation? Ok,how about ireland who the EU also bailed out and just see how it is performing now.

What? Juncker did not vote for brexit nor did he vote to reject the deal, they are down to britain alone

What kind of question is that? No wonder people in large economies have problems understanding how decisions effect the smaller ones.

It is a very relevant question considering i was replying to you comment on economy?

 

[Jumi]

Quite preferably to how the relationship used to be.

Agreed.

But perhaps you prefer war that claims the life of millions. Quite disgusting but good for you.

Or perhaps you do, but you prefer putting words in my mouth for what you want? Who knows, but it was quite a disgusting guess from you.

Oh please provide evidence for German meddling that lead to the French policy of rising gasoline prices.

Please do so.

I am waiting.

Oh, before you make up more things about me and my views, please provide where I have said such a thing.

 

[ChristineM]

China has an unfair advantage due to CO2 emissions, less environmental controls and oversights.

Ok, pretend china does not exist, that makes germany #1 and the EU #2

 

[Jumi]

Yes things progress. I am british, how about you?

I know you're British as we've talked before. My nationality is Finnish.

I really hope there is a satisfactory deal, rather than the no deal nightmare many british leaders are hoping for.

Oh, there are british leaders hoping for such? But of course no one in the EU.

So saving a county from bankruptcy is humiliation?

It isn't, but humiliating someone for wanting a guarantee for their loans is humiliation. Or do you think having a worse than nothing guarantee isn't humiliation, perhaps it's a gift...

Ok,how about ireland who the EU also bailed out and just see how it is performing now.

Yes, lots of countries to save.

What? Juncker did not vote for brexit nor did he vote to reject the deal, they are down to britain alone

Yes, only you are responsible for the negotiations failing. Juncker avoiding discussions with May is just good for dialogue, right.

It is a very relevant question considering i was replying to you comment on economy?

Finland. I forget that not all people I talk to remember previous discussions as well as I do.

 

[Jumi]

Ok, pretend china does not exist, that makes germany #1 and the EU #2

Is it surprising that Germany is #1 if they can have the kind of rules they need? Locally other countries have to adapt to such rules that help them thrive. Doesn't seem like an argument against the big economies getting out of the EU what they want.

 

[Jumi]

Besides your religion is suspicious

You're not being serious??

 

[Flankerl]

Oh, before you make up more things about me and my views, please provide where I have said such a thing.

You wrote of French and German policies regarding the gilets jeunes.
So how are rising fuel prices in France in any way related to German policies?

You're not being serious??

Of course he is. You are talking to a self-proclaimed fascist that wants to cleanse Italy.

Well....when you say that you haven't connections to some banking family, I think you're lying
Besides your religion is suspicious

I rest my case.

 

[Estro Felino]

You're not being serious??

She defends Soros and the ECB Seigniorage. what should I think?

 

[Jumi]

You wrote of French and German policies regarding the gilets jeunes.

So you assumed.

So how are rising fuel prices in France in any way related to German policies?

Since you are trying to lead me into something else, how about you tell the whole story...

Of course he is. You are talking to a self-proclaimed fascist that wants to cleanse Italy.

Not what I was expecting. I hope it's not the case. It's one reason why I never join up with either pro-EU or anti-EU folks, you get drawn to groups by associations you don't want.

She defends Soros and the ECB Seigniorage. what should I think?

I don't think about Soros at all. He's not the EU so I don't think it belongs in the deal.

Though ECB made it very difficult for my country's exports to ever get back up because they were going by big countries and their economies. We should have our own currency to deal with issues as they come.

 

[Estro Felino]

Though ECB made it very difficult for my country's exports to ever get back up because they were going by big countries and their economies. We should have our own currency to deal with issues as they come.

But it's obvious! I want Seigniorage banking, the IMF to be outlawed from the EU. I want member states' sovereignty to prevail and to give more powers to sub-unions like Visegrad or the Nordic Union

 

[Altfish]

This EU is a failure. We are for strengthening the member states' sovereignty and to annul the Troika.

May I know why you try to belittle my country which unlike France has positive NX (net exports) and has the double of Britain's gold reserves?

I don't belittle your country; but I don't want a non-EU pact with another set of right wing loonies.

 

[Flankerl]

So you assumed.

Since you are trying to lead me into something else, how about you tell the whole story...

"Yes. Everyone everyone should be happy with the French and German policies. People seem quite happy in France if we watch the news..."

So again: What are the German policies that directly affected rising prices in France?

If you didn't mean that just write so.

She defends Soros and the ECB Seigniorage. what should I think?

Which obviously has much to do with me being Jewish.

Fascist.

Oh and regarding to me defending Soros I just used the search function.

"Uh oh! Unfortunately, we couldn't find any results for Soros user:"Flankerl,".
Try checking your spelling or entering another query."

Probably a Jewish conspiracy.