Frank Goad
Well-Known Member
Science proved God beyond a doubt?
.Then we wouldn't need faith because everyone knows God is real in the first.
.Then we wouldn't need faith because everyone knows God is real in the first.
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Wouldn't it be cool if...
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Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
If only, it would save a lot of violence and heartache.
74x12
Well-Known Member
The faith "I believe in God" is the most basic faith. Just because you know God is real doesn't mean you don't need faith. You still need faith. So if you proved God is real then you would still need faith.Science proved God beyond a doubt?
I know God is real and I still need faith.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Science proved God beyond a doubt?
Hmm. I would hope it doesn't matter if one has faith or not. What's the importance of faith if god exists in a more physical way?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Kinda the same as "I believe in existence" god as opposed to "I believe god exists"?
74x12
Well-Known Member
I mean that I could believe in God but not believe that God even cares. I could believe in God but not believe that God would ever bother to help anyone. So, you still need faith that is more than just believing God exists.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Not science, because science proves nothing, but it has already been realized that God is real.Science proved God beyond a doubt?
Romans 1:18-20
18 For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who are suppressing the truth in an unrighteous way, 19 because what may be known about God is clearly evident among them, for God made it clear to them. 20 For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.
Psalm 10:4 In his haughtiness, the wicked man makes no investigation; All his thoughts are: “There is no God.”
See Psalms 19 & 14
It's just a case of willful ignorance.
It's clear to them, but because of their arrogance, they don't want to see.
Earthling
David Henson
Science proved God beyond a doubt?
Well you say 'proved God beyond a doubt' but science wouldn't be necessary for that, so their opinion on the subject wouldn't mean anything to me.
nPeace
Veteran Member
That is the most accurate thing I have ever heard you say. Bang On!
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
It's really not that complicated. (edit) What would happen if science proved god? From science perspective 21st century not B.C. biblical science? Would it make a difference?
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Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Science does prove god, though. Just not in the definition and manor in which god is actually defined by both sides. On one side, deities can't be proven by science; and, science isn't the means to prove supernatural beings. On the other side, subjective experiences and personal understandings can't be proven by science because they are personal and no one person's experiences is the same as the other.
Once both sides have the same definition, maybe we could figure out what god is in order to see the OP makes sense according to the definition agreed on.
Once both sides have the same definition, maybe we could figure out what god is in order to see the OP makes sense according to the definition agreed on.
Skwim
Veteran Member
But with faith a person can concoct whatever kind of god one needs and assert its truth without much fear of contradiction. After all, "My faith is just as good, if not better, than your faith.Science proved God beyond a doubt?
" But once stuff gets "proven" you're pretty much stuck with it, because, unlike faith, there's little chance of tweaking it when needed. So, although such a discovery may be cool, I don't know how welcome it would be..
Seems reasonable.Science proved God beyond a doubt?
Not following your meaning, here.
Why would I need faith -- belief without sufficient evidence -- if I had knowledge -- well evidenced belief?
Serious question: which form of God are you talking about?Science proved God beyond a doubt?
There can be no meaningful answer before this preliminary step is resolved.
Eternity in paradise vs eternity in a lake of fire seems, to me, a pretty compelling consideration.
What would faith in an indifferent God be based on? It's not like there's any empirical evidence of Him.
When religion has practical value. it often is because it teaches people to deal with uncertainty by nurturing faith.
Unfortunately, that teaching is depressingly often tainted by appeal to god-beliefs, which creates a lot of harm and confusion.
Which is why I don't see much of a benefit in a "proven" God. All that would do is create a lot of guesswork about what that God would want or approve.
It has? I must have missed that momentous discovery.
So all religious disputes are solved? All the planet is now in religious accord?
Frank Goad
Well-Known Member
I am talking about proving God in away that would allow us to go one on one with him and no he exists no matter what.