End Humanitarian Crisis w/Border Security Barrier!

[Salvador]

Then how come we haven't noticed this "crisis" till now, considering it's been going on for 30 years?
Immigration is way down. More "illegal aliens" are leaving the US than entering, and almost all the drug traffic is coming through ports-of-entry in cars and trucks, or offloaded from ships.
9 facts you should know about the border before Trump addresses the nation

Of course, there needs to be additional methods in addition to an effective border security barrier system for preventing the flow of illegal aliens and drugs across the border into the United States from Mexico. There are 4,000 illegal aliens whom ICE has apprehended for homicide within the last 2 years. So, illegal immigration still does pose many problems.

President Trump Sends a Letter on Border Security to Congress | The White House

• In FY2017 and FY2018, ICE officers arrested approximately 235,000 aliens on various criminal charges or convictions within the interior of the United States—including roughly 100,000 for assault, 30,000 for sex crimes, and 4,000 for homicides.

Below is the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement for FY 2018 and FY 2017 showing there were 4.000 illegal aliens whom ICE apprehended for homicide.

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/about/offices/ero/pdf/eroFY2018Report.pdf

 

[Valjean]

It's not a crisis if Trump says it is but it is a crisis if a news outlet blames Trump for migrant children's deaths, that is how it works.

Huh????

Drugs won't stop, there is too much money and corrupt officials involved in it but giving more funding and personnel may help stem the flow of drugs.

Mexico drug cartel's grip on politicians and police revealed in Texas court files | World news | The Guardian

Why this sudden panic over drugs? We've had readily available drugs in the US for 60 years or more.
Supply side interdiction doesn't seem to work any better than supply side economics.

I'm all for invading Honduras and eliminating the cause of the migrations.

But isn't that what initiated this "crisis" in the first place? Check your history.

 

[sun rise]

My answer is yes to a wall. THIS wall:

 

[Valjean]

Of course, there needs to be additional methods in addition to an effective border security barrier system for preventing the flow of illegal aliens and drugs across the border into the United States from Mexico. There are 4,000 illegal aliens whom ICE has apprehended for homicide within the last 2 years. So, illegal immigration still does pose many problems.

President Trump Sends a Letter on Border Security to Congress | The White House

• In FY2017 and FY2018, ICE officers arrested approximately 235,000 aliens on various criminal charges or convictions within the interior of the United States—including roughly 100,000 for assault, 30,000 for sex crimes, and 4,000 for homicides.

Below is the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement for FY 2018 and FY 2017 showing there were 4.000 illegal aliens whom ICE apprehended for homicide.

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/about/offices/ero/pdf/eroFY2018Report.pdf

The "4,000 terrorists" actually traces back to ~4,000 persons on the no-fly list being turned away from travel to the US, mostly at overseas airports.
Not everyone on the no-fly list is a terrorist, either.

Doesn't the state department report zero terrorists being intercepted at the Mexican border?

This whole "invasion" is a manufactured diversion. Mainstream "news" (read: "entertainment") is obsessed with it. It gets ratings. Real issues -- especially concerning Trump's misdeeds, are going unmentioned. Public attention has been effectively diverted.

 

[Valjean]

If we look to some of the last few weeks headlines on the crisis on the border and children's deaths due to underfunded immigration enforcement and the pending investigations into them, it would seem heartless for anyone to deny funding for the wall and supporting services, not only heartless but a hateful willful ignorance.

Maybe we'd do better to kick in a few bucks for immigration attorneys to deal with the backlog of asylum seekers.

 

[Stanyon]

Huh????
Why this sudden panic over drugs? We've had readily available drugs in the US for 60 years or more.
Supply side interdiction doesn't seem to work any better than supply side economics.

It's not a "panic" over drugs and absolutely the drug trade has been alive and well for centuries before the U.S. was ever a country but the concern for me is the power cartels have in Mexico and their influence in the U.S. do we want it to grow or lessen? Here is a few links of interest to the DEA:
(U) United States: Areas of Influence of Major Mexican Transnational Criminal Organizations

DEA releases 2018 National Drug Threat Assessment

DIR-040-17_2017-NDTA.pdf

 

[Subduction Zone]

1. We should object to the term "non-human persons, cause non-human animals aren't persons. Right? 2. A steel slated barrier structure would not impact wild life, cause wild life, unlike people, could squeeze through the openings of the steel barrier slats without getting stuck. Right?

You are right. Bears, deer, and other large mammals should have no problem at all squeezing through an opening that will keep out an underfed migrant

 

[Valjean]

It's not a "panic" over drugs and absolutely the drug trade has been alive and well for centuries before the U.S. was ever a country but the concern for me is the power cartels have in Mexico and their influence in the U.S. do we want it to grow or lessen? Here is a few links of interest to the DEA:
(U) United States: Areas of Influence of Major Mexican Transnational Criminal Organizations

DEA releases 2018 National Drug Threat Assessment

DIR-040-17_2017-NDTA.pdf

The cartels have millions of dollars, intelligence and organization, politicians in their pockets. They've got body shops fabricating cache vehicles. They've got planes, ships -- mini-subs, for heaven's sake.They're not the impoverished farmers trying to make a quick buck sneaking a few kilos over the river at night.
The wall's not going to stop them.

 

[Salvador]

Walling out a humanitarian disaster isn't ending it.
US policies have contributed hugely to the many humanitarian disasters in Central America. How about we deal with those policies?
Tom

The U.S. government could more effectively control what happens at its own border with Mexico than what happens in further away Central America.

 

[Salvador]

I'm all for invading Honduras and eliminating the cause of the migrations.

Hmm???... I wonder how much a U.S -led military invasion of Honduras would cost compared with the cost of building an effective border security barrier at the U.S.-Mexico border.

 

[Salvador]

The cartels have millions of dollars, intelligence and organization. They've got body shops fabricating cache vehicles. They've got planes, ships, mini-subs.They're not the impoverished farmers trying to make a quick buck sneaking a few kilos over the river at night.
The wall's not going to stop them.

I do agree the wall won't totally stop drug trafficking, but an effective border security barrier may likely slow down the flow of illegal drugs coming into the U.S. from Mexico. Also, an effective border security barrier might very well prevent the deaths of migrants trying to make the dangerous trek through Mexico into the open dangerous desert wilderness of the United States. Furthermore, an effective border security barrier might very well prevent homicidal illegal alien criminals from trespassing across the border from Mexico into the U.S. where hundreds of Americans have been slaughtered each year by illegal alien criminal thugs who've illegally trespassed across the border between Mexico and the U.S.

 

[Valjean]

Hmm???... I wonder how much a U.S -led military invasion of Honduras would cost compared with the cost of building an effective border security barrier at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Good point. We could make the Hondurans pay for it! We might even make money on the deal. Maybe we could lease the country to a fruit growing conglomerate or something.

 

[Salvador]

Yes, because that's where the drugs are being brought in - through legal ports of entry. How does a wall help with that?

A wall restricts the flow of drugs from getting smuggled across a wide-open terrain to getting brought to a legal port of entry where they are more likely to be detected and seized by law enforcement agencies.

 

[SkepticThinker]

A wall restricts the flow of drugs from getting smuggled across a wide-open terrain to getting brought to a legal port of entry where they are more likely to be detected and seized by law enforcement agencies.

Are you saying that border patrol agents roam the Mexican desert? What are you saying? I still don't see how a wall would help stop the flow of illegal drugs at legal ports of entry into the US.

 

[columbus]

The U.S. government could more effectively control what happens at its own border with Mexico than what happens in further away Central America.

We could more effectively control what happens at the border if we more effectively controlled what happens in the rest of the country.
Like prosecuting illegal employers of immigrants, as an example.

Did Trump mention that last night?
Tom

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Drugs won't stop, there is too much money and corrupt officials involved in it but giving more funding and personnel may help stem the flow of drugs.

Not a problem worth throwing money at. Just legalize them all. If you want to get strung out on Percocet or die of a heroin overdose, fine. That's should be your choice. You can do that.

And we'll give you your drugs for free so that you don't have to break into homes or pharmacies with a gun to get them.

This poll badly needs more options. Both of the existing ones are dripping fantasy.

Happy Birthday, Luis.

Yeah, today's conservatives use a different definition of humanitarian than liberals do. Humanitarian is not slamming a wall in ones face, but opening ones arms to help these unfortunate people.

 

[Salvador]

Are you saying that border patrol agents roam the Mexican desert? What are you saying? I still don't see how a wall would help stop the flow of illegal drugs at legal ports of entry into the US.

A border patrol's job is safer and more effective with a see through border wall than with open terrain where would-be illegal aliens can freely roam, border patrols are in favor of an effective border security barrier. ...

 

[Stanyon]

Not a problem worth throwing money at. Just legalize them all. If you want to get strung out on Percocet or die of a heroin overdose, fine. That's should be your choice. You can do that. And we'll give you your drugs for free so that you don't have to break into homes or pharmacies with a gun to get them.

today's conservatives use a different definition of humanitarian than liberals do.

Apparently so

 

[Salvador]

We could more effectively control what happens at the border if we more effectively controlled what happens in the rest of the country.
Like prosecuting illegal employers of immigrants, as an example.

Did Trump mention that last night?
Tom

It's not an either or proposition, employers can be prosecuted for hiring illegal aliens as well as an effective border security barrier can be built to keep out the Mexicans, who have a ratio of murderers to non-murderers at three times as much as the non-Mexican ratio of murderers to non-murderers in America.

 

[Salvador]

Not a problem worth throwing money at. Just legalize them all. If you want to get strung out on Percocet or die of a heroin overdose, fine. That's should be your choice. You can do that.

And we'll give you your drugs for free so that you don't have to break into homes or pharmacies with a gun to get them.


Happy Birthday, Luis.

Yeah, today's conservatives use a different definition of humanitarian than liberals do. Humanitarian is not slamming a wall in ones face, but opening ones arms to help these unfortunate people.

I can agree with the legalization of recreational or medical marijuana, but I'm against the legalization of far more harmful drugs such as opium, heroin, cocaine, or meth.