Explain to me why god is real using facts

[Shadow Link]

Not much is needed to defend the obvious.

Yet strangely enough most theists do not understand this.

I'm not surprised by your lack of reasoning.

 

[Skwim]

How does Atheism operate on fact? Use facts please.

Obviously you can't answer his question, can you. Okey dokey.

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[TransmutingSoul]

I'm not sure why making its message clear to everyone and unambiguous would be about appeasing worldly appetites, unless you think wanting some objective reason to believe in something is a "worldly appetite".

I would ask who says the Messages from God are not clear?

It is this world that is the veil and we are given free choice between living for the world or living for the spirit.

Regards Tony

 

[PureX]

Either a given god exists outside of people's minds or not.

Exist as what? What does it mean to "exist outside of people's minds"? How does a "given god" (and idea given by one human mind, to another human mind) exist "outside of people's human mind"? Existence, itself, is a cognitive experience occurring WITHIN THE HUMAN MIND. And "objective existence" is an ideal that no human can objectively experience, like perfection, infinity, or omniscience.

While I'm sure this is true to an extent, I again know people who are generally kind, generous, forgiving but who (for example) feel that they need to disapprove of homosexuality because of their faith.

Then they need to be questioning the objectives of their "faith" regarding why they seems to be contradicting their better inclinations. We humans are full of contradiction and paradox, though, so such cross-purposes are going to manifest in us ... often.

 

[stvdv]

Thanks Tony Bristow for these answers. Wonderful verses from Bahaullah. As if I read the words of my Master. I love it when I see "Unity in Diversity"

Bahá’u’lláh states that “The essence of faith is fewness of words and abundance of deeds…”

My Master summarized it thus: "Only talk if it improves the Silence"

Bahá’u’lláh has written, “must cleanse themselves of all that is earthly—their ears from idle talk, their minds from vain imaginings, their hearts from worldly affections, their eyes from that which perisheth

My Master summarized it thus: "WATCH: Watch your Words, Actions, Thoughts, Character and Heart"

"...Every good thing is of God, and every evil thing is from yourselves. Will ye not comprehend? This same truth hath been revealed in all the Scriptures, if ye be of them that understand."

My Master said "There is 1 Religion, the Religion of Love" ... "All the Religion have Love in common"

Know ye not why We created you all from the same dust? That no one should exalt himself over the other

I like this one a lot. This one is very much needed nowadays. A very practical, down to earth one.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Thanks Tony Bristow for these answers. Wonderful verses from Bahaullah. As if I read the words of my Master. I love it when I see "Unity in Diversity"


My Master summorized it thus: "Only talk if it improves the Silence"


My Master summorized it thus: "WATCH: Watch your Words, Actions, Thoughts, Character and Heart"


My Master said "There is 1 Religion, the Religion of Love" ... "All the Religion have Love in common"


I like this one a lot. This one is very much needed nowadays. A very practical, down to earth one.

You master is very wise

I see a Unity in Diversity will be based in Values and not what name we have put to faith or if we have no faith.

Regards Tony

 

[David T]

Basically, I am an atheist right, so I would like for you to explain to me why your god is real and use facts not opinions, please.

What are your facts that causes you to believe you even understand the topic let alone ask for facts and not opinions?

I see no evidence, in your question that you even understand the topic although you "beliece" you do. . Where did you get your facts from about the topic itself?

You must have some facts before asking for facts dont you?

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

Obviously you can't answer his question, can you. Okey dokey.

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I thought it was rhetorical given the religious hold faith, not fact.
You can't answer my question. Obviously.

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

Atheism operates on love and good wishes, those are the facts.

What's that say of those on this site who profess themselves to be atheists and demonstrate the opposite of love and good wishes?

 

[blü 2]

Nothingness , where no thing exists ! The individualism of space is nothingness and things occupy this nothingness .

Disagree.

Nothingness is the absence of everything ─ no dimensions of space or time, no mass-energy, simply non-existence absolute and unqualified.

This tempts me to the view that spacetime results from properties of mass-energy, hence that spacetime exists, not independently but because mass-energy exists.

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

Atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods. I lack that belief, that is a fact. That is all that is needed.

What theists constantly run away from is the burden of proof. They seem to know that they have no valid reasons for their beliefs Most atheists state the simple fact that they do not believe in god, but that they would change their minds if evidence for a god was given. This is a rational mindset. It is irrational to believe rather extreme claims without strong evidence.

That's what atheists don't get.
There is strong evidence.
You believe there is no such thing as God. You yourself just admitted it isn't a fact God cannot exist.

 

[blü 2]

What are your facts that causes you to believe you even understand the topic let alone ask for facts and not opinions?

I see no evidence, in your question that you even understand the topic although you "beliece" you do. . Where did you get your facts from about the topic itself?

You must have some facts before asking for facts dont you?

It seems to be the fact that the word 'God' does not denote anything real.

That makes it difficult to talk about real gods, wouldn't you say?

(Imaginary gods, no problem, of course ─ but we don't even have a useful definition of a real one.)

 

[blü 2]

That's what atheists don't get.
There is strong evidence.
You believe there is no such thing as God. You yourself just admitted it isn't a fact God cannot exist.

I don't even know what a real god ─ a god with objective existence ─ could be.

What constitutes the quality of 'godness' anyway? If I found a real candidate, what objective test would tell me whether it were God ─ had godness ─ or not?

(If we're content to talk about imaginary gods, then they're anything we want them to be, and the history of theology seems to be build around that particular approach. However, here the problem is with real gods.)

 

[lukethethird]

What's that say of those on this site who profess themselves to be atheists and demonstrate the opposite of love and good wishes?

We well know that there's a certain little lake of fire waiting for them when their time comes, but I haven't noticed any, have you?

 

[james blunt]

no dimensions of space or time, no mass-energy, simply non-existence absolute and unqualified.

That is called a zero point in nothingness .

 

[blü 2]

That is called a zero point in nothingness .

There are no points in nothingness. Nothingness is non-existence, pure and utter.

Points are supposed to have position but no size. In the absence of dimensions ─ spacetime ─ there isn't even the possibility of position.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's what atheists don't get.
There is strong evidence.
You believe there is no such thing as God. You yourself just admitted it isn't a fact God cannot exist.

You need to learn what atheism is. You got it wrong, even though the post you quoted explained it to you.

and what evidence is there for a god? Every theist that I have seen claim that there was evidence only demonstrated that they did not understand the concept.

 

[lukethethird]

There are no points in nothingness. Nothingness is non-existence, pure and utter.

No points for nothingness. Game is still tied.

 

[blü 2]

No points for nothingness. Game is still tied.

Not, what's your point, but where?

 

[lukethethird]

Not, what's your point, but where?

Sorry, no point for 'zero point in nothingness,' but no one is really keeping score.