Can God see into the future?

[Epic Beard Man]

God doesn't allow any innocent children to get hurt, People Do.

How do you come by God as being Omniscient, there is no where in the bible that makes that claim.
People will say God is Omniscient, but then that's People and not God saying that.

God is in control, only to let things go so far, To see how People will handle things.

God tried to make People do as God wanted, but all People did is complained.

So God step back, and let people go, Now people want to blame God, when it's People who is at fault.

Let's for say, that God did come here and told you this is how it's going to be, like it or not.
Now how would you handle being told without any questions, that's how it's going to be. It's either God's way or the highway.

I can guarantee you People will not like it or handle it. Including yourself.

So when little girls get raped in the forest and call out to God for help and nothing happens we blame the human? What do you call the non-intervention? God does not intervene because God may choose not to

 

[ChristineM]

God doesn't allow any innocent children to get hurt, People Do.

Childhood leukemia, malaria?

How are people responsible for them?

 

[GoodbyeDave]

The future, by definition, hasn't happened so you can't see it. Of course that doesn't mean that you can't say what is likely to happen on the basis of the present. The is applies to gods as much as to humans, although obviously they are better at forecasting than we are since they are cleverer and more knowledgeable.

The physical concept of space-time that's been brought up is a red herring. We're talking here about mathematical models. Physicists have a natural human tendency to reify their models, as in the case of the various (conflicting) interpretations of quantum mechanics, but the result is not physics — it's metaphysics.

 

[Faithofchristian]

So when little girls get raped in the forest and call out to God for help and nothing happens we blame the human? What do you call the non-intervention? God does not intervene because God may choose not to

Well seeing that you have no idea or clue about the bible.
God foretold in the bible, what to do about a girl getting raped.

God gave unto Moses about a woman being raped, force in a sexual affair.

In the book of Deuteronomy 22:25-27---
----"25- But if a man find a betrothed
( woman) damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.

26- But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:

27- For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her"

Now what do you suppose is to happen, if the woman did not cry out about being raped.
Deut 22:23-24--"23-- "If a damsel (woman) that is a virgin be betrothed ( married) unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;

24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and you shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so you shalt put away evil from among you"

So with all of this, what do you suppose God would do to those who raped little children?
Their punishment would be far greater than adult's would be.

 

[Salvador]

Childhood leukemia, malaria?

How are people responsible for them?

Good point, if God were in control of everything, then God could prevent cancer cells from forming inside of innocent children bodies. It would be malicious if some scientist were to know the cure for cancer, but choose to withhold this information from curing cancer. Likewise, wouldn't a knowledgeable and powerful God, who could cure cancer but choose not to save innocent children from the suffering of cancer, also be just as malicious as some scientist who kept the cure for cancer a secret.?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Has anyone thought maybe God has too much faith in mankind?

 

[ChristineM]

Good point, if God were in control of everything, then God could prevent cancer cells from forming inside of innocent children bodies. It would be malicious if some scientist were to know the cure for cancer, but choose to withhold this information from curing cancer. Likewise, wouldn't a wise and powerful God, who could cure cancer but choose not to save innocent children from the suffering of cancer, also be just as malicious as some scientist who kept the cure for cancer a secret.?

According to some god made all, that includes the bad bits like cancer and the mosquito.

 

[ChristineM]

Has anyone thought maybe God has too much faith in mankind?

I think its the other way round, mankind has doo much faith in mythology.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Childhood leukemia, malaria?

How are people responsible for them?

Well there is such a thing as vaccinations to prevent diseases.

But what causes, Luekemia, Malaria ?
Both of these are know to be carried by being bitten by mosquitoes.

Now if people go into places that are infected with mosquitoes and not vaccinated.
Then they are putting themselves at risk of coming down with these diseases.
So who's at fault ?

 

[ChristineM]

Well seeing that you have no idea or clue about the bible.
God foretold in the bible, what to do about a girl getting raped.

God gave unto Moses about a woman being raped, force in a sexual affair.

In the book of Deuteronomy 22:25-27---
----"25- But if a man find a betrothed
( woman) damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.

26- But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:

27- For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her"

Now what do you suppose is to happen, if the woman did not cry out about being raped.
Deut 22:23-24--"23-- "If a damsel (woman) that is a virgin be betrothed ( married) unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;

24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and you shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so you shalt put away evil from among you"

So with all of this, what do you suppose God would do to those who raped little children?
Their punishment would be far greater than adult's would be.

And in Deuteronomy 20:13-14 god condones rape and sex slavery, children included

And in Deuteronomy 21:10-13 god gives permission to rape beautiful female captives.

Judges 21:10-12 god gives permission to kill non virgin women and take 100 virgins as sex slaves

 

[Salvador]

Well there is such a thing as vaccinations to prevent diseases.

But what causes, Luekemia, Malaria ?
Both of these are know to be carried by being bitten by mosquitoes.

Now if people go into places that are infected with mosquitoes and not vaccinated.
Then they are putting themselves at risk of coming down with these diseases.
So who's at fault ?

Your God,, who controls everything, who put the risk of infection out there in the first place would be party responsible for the suffering of mosquito-borne diseases. What could have my friend's little niece have done to prevent getting the West Nile virus? What about all the children who suffer from cancer? There is no vaccine that prevents cancer.

Isaiah 45:7 New International Version (NIV)

"I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;;
I, the Lord, do all these things."

The God of the Bible even admits to being malicious! and you chose to defend/worship that.?

 

[ChristineM]

Well there is such a thing as vaccinations to prevent diseases.

But what causes, Luekemia, Malaria ?
Both of these are know to be carried by being bitten by mosquitoes.

Now if people go into places that are infected with mosquitoes and not vaccinated.
Then they are putting themselves at risk of coming down with these diseases.
So who's at fault ?

really?

So a leukemia vaccination exists? Wow, when did god make that?

Leukemia is not caused my mosquito bite, it is a blood cancer, and who made mosquitoes anyway?

The only approved malaria vaccine became available in 2015, requires 4 injections and is no more than 50% effective. So tell me about the tens of millions who died if malaria prior to that, and those for whom the vaccine does not work.

What about people born there?

 

[Faithofchristian]

And in Deuteronomy 20:13-14 god condones rape and sex slavery, children included

And in Deuteronomy 21:10-13 god gives permission to rape beautiful female captives.

Judges 21:10-12 god gives permission to kill non virgin women and take 100 virgins as sex slaves

As to where do you get that all at, sure not out of Deuteronomy 20:10-14, there is no where in there that says what your saying.

Deuteronomy 20:10-14---"
10 When you come nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

11 And it shall be, if it make you answer of peace, and open unto you, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto you, and they shall serve you"

12 And if it will make no peace with you, but will make war against you, then you shalt besiege it:

13 And when the Lord your God has delivered it into your hands, you shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt you take unto yourself; and you shalt eat the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you"

In all of this, exactly where do you get, God gives permission to rape beautiful females.
There is no where that states what your saying.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Your God,, who controls everything, who put the risk of infection out there in the first place would be party responsible for the suffering of mosquito-borne diseases. What could have my friend's little niece have done to prevent getting the West Nile virus? What about all the children who suffer from cancer? There is no vaccine that prevents cancer.

Isaiah 45:7 New International Version (NIV)

"I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;;
I, the Lord, do all these things."

The God of the Bible even admits to being malicious! and you chose to defend/worship that.?

Why do I worship God, because you have no idea what is and what is not, that's why I worship God.

You did not tell exactly why God does those things. Why is that ?

When God first created all things, there were no diseases or sufferings.
So by who caused all these sufferings.

Let's see if you know as much as you think you do.
So by who caused all these sufferings and disease's?

What light is the Lord speaking about?
What darkness is the Lord speaking about?
What disaster is the Lord speaking about?

Can you explain all these things?

 

[Tazarah]

People try to blame God for everything. Everything was literally perfect in the beginning. Human life was disease-free and much, much better than what it is now. Our lifespan was way longer, etc. But as we all know, God does not want robots and gave mankind free will. Mankind chose to disobey God and his laws time and time again. Mankind chose to do everything that God told us from the beginning was bad for us. So like somebody else already mentioned, God stepped back and has been letting mankind do what it wants for the time being until he decides to return for all of those who have lived righteously and according to his word so that he can give them the ultimate gift of eternal life, while all of those who chose to do the opposite recieve the opposite. God gives every person multiple opportunities to get to know him during their lifetime, but as I already said — God does not want robots, and mankind has, and has always had free will. It’s not difficult to understand at all once you put yourself in God’s shoes.

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.” [Genesis 6:3]

 

[blü 2]

Ok, let's for say that God is ( Omniscient)
All knowing as people say God is.

If God is all knowing, Then why would God need to look into the future first, to see what is happening first?
If God is all knowing, Then God wouldn't need to look into the future to see what is happening first.
God would already be ( Omniscient) knowing all things, What is happening in the future, without having to look First.

If God is omnipotent, hence omniscient and omnipresent, then when God created the universe about 14 bn years ago, [he] created the entirety of spacetime, from Big Bang to the end of time or whatever, through which [he] was then and there omnipresent. After that instant, nothing remained for [him] to do.

And everything that exists, including us, are rolling down the grooves [he] thus conceived, approved and created, and we think, do and say exactly and only what [he]'s known right from the outset we were going to think, do and say. Once you're omnipotent, there's no other possibility.

 

[Faithofchristian]

If God is omnipotent, hence omniscient and omnipresent, then when God created the universe about 14 bn years ago, [he] created the entirety of spacetime, from Big Bang to the end of time or whatever, through which [he] was then and there omnipresent. After that instant, nothing remained for [him] to do.

And everything that exists, including us, are rolling down the grooves [he] thus conceived, approved and created, and we think, do and say exactly and only what [he]'s known right from the outset we were going to think, do and say. Once you're omnipotent, there's no other possibility.

As to where do people come up with God as being ( Omniscient)
God is not ( Omniscient) As people say.
There is no where in the bible that makes such claim's.
People are the ones who makes these false allegations about God and not God.

God is ( Omnipresent) meaning God is everywhere, this is to say, God's Spirit is everywhere.
But however God is ( Omnipotent ) this meaning that God is all powerful and that as far as it goes.
But for people to say that
God is (Omniscient) As in All Knowing.
Let's for say, that God does look into the future,Ok.
Now if God look's into the future to see what is happening, How exactly does this fit with God as being all knowing ?
If God is all knowing as people say God is, then God wouldn't have to look into the future to see what is happening, God would already know without having to look into the future to see what is happening. If God is all knowing ?
Would he not ?
if God is all knowing as people try to say God is, Then why would God need to look into the future to see what is going on ?

 

[Valek]

Why are asking people? NO one really knows if he is real, stop asking people, if you believe he is real, go find him and ask him yourself.

 

[Tazarah]

As to where do come up with God as being
( Omniscient) and ( Omnipresent)
God is none of these things.
There is no where in the bible that makes such claim's.
People are the ones who makes these false allegations about God and not God.

But however God is ( Omnipotent ) this meaning that God is all powerful and that as far as it goes.

Let's for say, that God does look into the future,Ok.
Now if God can look into the future, Now how does this fit with God as being all knowing ?
If God is all knowing as people say God is, then God wouldn't have to look into the future to see what is happening, God would already know.
Would he not ?

God is not one or the other. He is everything. And much more. He is all knowing, he can see the future, he can change the future, he can see every single possible outcome of any situation, etc. Trying to understand God is impossible. He can do things that we can’t even imagine. Think about it, he created literally everything. Time, space, etc. Anything that you can imagine, he can do — and much more. He can do things that we are not even able to comprehend.

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” [Isaiah 55:8-9]

 

[ChristineM]

As to where do you get that all at, sure not out of Deuteronomy 20:10-14, there is no where in there that says what your saying.

Deuteronomy 20:10-14---"
10 When you come nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

11 And it shall be, if it make you answer of peace, and open unto you, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto you, and they shall serve you"

12 And if it will make no peace with you, but will make war against you, then you shalt besiege it:

13 And when the Lord your God has delivered it into your hands, you shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt you take unto yourself; and you shalt eat the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you"

In all of this, exactly where do you get, God gives permission to rape beautiful females.
There is no where that states what your saying.

That is exactly what the words imply, however you perhaps filter with a more religiocentric interpretation using your personal favourite bible.