Why doesn’t God communicate directly to everyone?

[1213]

Could you comment on Christians being in dwelt by the Holy Spirit? Isn't there Bible verses that say is true?

Do you mean these:

But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and will remind you of all that I said to you.
John 14:26

When the Counselor [Greek Parakletos: Counselor, Helper, Advocate, Intercessor, and Comfortor.] has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will testify about me.
John 15:26

However when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth, for he will not speak from himself; but whatever he hears, he will speak. He will declare to you things that are coming.
John 16:13

Yes, Holy Spirit is promised for disciples of Jesus. I don’t think others can expect it and that is why it is probably not useful for atheists who have already decided that God is not real.

 

[QuestioningMind]

I certainly do not know what it takes for you or anyone else to believe in God. I only know what it took for me.

I said that every man is capable of believing in God because they were created that way. But that does not mean every man will be able to do what they are capable of doing. Lots of things happen in a person’s lifetime and some things that happen make it more difficult for some people to believe in God. Free will has many constraints. What people are able to recognize and understand is varies according to a combination of factors such as childhood upbringing, heredity, education, adult experiences, and present life circumstances. For example, if one has a huge confirmation bias from a past bad experience with religion in childhood, they are not going to give any religion a fair shot.

The significance of the 93% is that it indicates that most people are capable of believing in God.

The fact that people can’t agree on what god exists does not prove anything because what people believe is subject to error, since humans are fallible.

The “reason” that 93% of people do not agree on what god exists is because they believe that their religion is the only true religion and their God(s) is the only true God(s), or if they have no religion, they make up something about God(s) that suits their fancy.

Finally, after thousands of years of confusion, Baha’u’llah has explained that there is only One God and all the major religions were revealed by that One God. There never was any more than one God or one God per religion, people just did not have that information before. One God, many religions, very simple.

This is what happens when there is a “new” revelation from God. It updates all the older religions and corrects misconceptions, and it reveals new information that heretofore nobody knew about.

Insisting that I don't require verifiable evidence for a god IS telling me that you know more about what it takes for me to believe in something than I do. Just because YOU were created by god to be gullible enough to believe in things without verifiable evidence does not mean that everyone was.

The significance of the 93% is that it indicates that most people are capable of believing in God.

The fact that people can’t agree on what god exists does not prove anything because what people believe is subject to error, since humans are fallible.

The fact that they can't agree on what it is that they believe in indicates that most if not all of them are deluding themselves. They obviously can't all be right, but it's certainly possible that they can all be wrong. And until there's actual verifiable evidence, I have no choice but to conclude that all of you are wrong.

Finally, after thousands of years of confusion, Baha’u’llah has explained that there is only One God and all the major religions were revealed by that One God. There never was any more than one God or one God per religion, people just did not have that information before. One God, many religions, very simple.

Yet the number of people who follow Baha'u'llah or have even heard the name before is minuscule. Your god may WANT everyone to believe in it, but the evidence suggest that your god is terribly ineffectual at achieving that goal. So either your god actually does not want everyone to believe in it or your god is a fairly weak and limited god.

 

[CG Didymus]

Do you mean these:

But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and will remind you of all that I said to you.
John 14:26

When the Counselor [Greek Parakletos: Counselor, Helper, Advocate, Intercessor, and Comfortor.] has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will testify about me.
John 15:26

However when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth, for he will not speak from himself; but whatever he hears, he will speak. He will declare to you things that are coming.
John 16:13

Yes, Holy Spirit is promised for disciples of Jesus. I don’t think others can expect it and that is why it is probably not useful for atheists who have already decided that God is not real.

It's not about atheists. It is for Baha'is that say they believe in the Bible, yet say things like Christians are "deluded" to think that the Holy Spirit lives inside of them. And those verses you quoted are used by Baha'is to show that God promised to send their prophet Baha'u'llah, not the Holy Spirit. So it makes it difficult to trust any religious person's "truth" as really being true. Each religion redefines the truth to fit their beliefs.

 

[Trailblazer]

Here we go again, to consider that as evidence there must be evidence of a gods existance

I guess you mean there must be proof of God’s existence first.

That is impossible because there is no proof that God exists. There is only evidence.

 

[Trailblazer]

If you do not accept the premise "God exists" then why would you think any noises coming out of the Universe is God communicating. Don't you first have to accept the existence of God before you will accept anything as being communication with God. If someone calls you on the phone how do you know who it is?

You raise a very good point. One first has to at least believe it is possible that God exists before they would believe God sent a Messenger. They do not have to actually believe God exists, but they have to entertain that as a possibility. So yes, the premise would be that God exists and the argument that God sends Messengers would be built upon that premise.

 

[Trailblazer]

What evidence?

His character, His life, His teachings, His predictions that came to pass, stuff like that...

Not only do we know exactly what Baha’u’llah wrote in His Own Pen, we also know what Baha’u’llah said to other people and how He treated other people, because it is recorded in their memoirs which are published in books. These people knew Baha’u’llah personally and they attested to His character and His truthfulness.

 

[Trailblazer]

I would say that if the fate of our supposed eternal soul rests on our beliefs about God(s) then this God should be obligated to communicate with everyone.

Why would God be obligated to communicate to everyone when God can communicate to one Messenger who can get the message out to everyone?

 

[Trailblazer]

Do you mean these:

But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and will remind you of all that I said to you.
John 14:26

When the Counselor [Greek Parakletos: Counselor, Helper, Advocate, Intercessor, and Comfortor.] has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will testify about me.
John 15:26

However when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth, for he will not speak from himself; but whatever he hears, he will speak. He will declare to you things that are coming.
John 16:13

Yes, Holy Spirit is promised for disciples of Jesus. I don’t think others can expect it and that is why it is probably not useful for atheists who have already decided that God is not real.

The Holy Spirit came to everyone when Jesus shed His glory upon all mankind. The Holy Spirit came to everyone again when Baha’u’llah shed His glory upon all mankind.

Jesus was a Comforter. Baha’u’llah was another Comforter, also referred to as the Counselor, Helper, Advocate, Intercessor, and Spirit of truth.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

 

[Trailblazer]

Insisting that I don't require verifiable evidence for a god IS telling me that you know more about what it takes for me to believe in something than I do.

I did not insist that YOU do not require verifiable evidence. I said “I certainly do not know what it takes for you or anyone else to believe in God. I only know what it took for me.”

I also said “Every man is capable of believing in God because they were created that way. But that does not mean every man will be able to do what they are capable of doing. Lots of things happen in a person’s lifetime and some things that happen make it more difficult for some people to believe in God.”

Just because YOU were created by god to be gullible enough to believe in things without verifiable evidence does not mean that everyone was.

Why do you have to call me gullible, so you can make yourself seem more circumspect than me? Why can’t you just understand that we are different, that believers are different than nonbelievers in what they require to believe in God? That said, I would be gullible if I had not spent years and years researching the Baha’i Faith.

Why do so many atheists have to put down believers? I am not putting down any atheists, I never do that. I just try to understand how they think and share what I believe and explain why I believe it.

I said: The significance of the 93% is that it indicates that most people are capable of believing in God.
The fact that people can’t agree on what god exists does not prove anything because what people believe is subject to error, since humans are fallible.

You said: The fact that they can't agree on what it is that they believe in indicates that most if not all of them are deluding themselves. They obviously can't all be right, but it's certainly possible that they can all be wrong. And until there's actual verifiable evidence, I have no choice but to conclude that all of you are wrong.

The fact that they can't agree on their beliefs does not indicate that they are deluding themselves. It indicates that they all have a different religion, usually the one they were raised in, and they cling to that religion for dear life. So naturally a Christian is not going to agree with a Buddhist or a Muslim. They think they are the only ones who are right and everyone else is wrong. In that sense they are deluded because every religion was right for the time period (dispensation) in which it was revealed, until another religion was revealed... Then the new religion that was revealed was right in the sense that it was the “most current religion,” the religion God wanted everyone to follow in the new age.

But people of the older religions don’t know that because they are not privy to the core Baha’i theology called Progressive Revelation. Even when Baha’is tell them and they do know, they still cling to their older religions because it is human nature to feel more secure with what ine is familiar with. I never had that problem because I was not raised in a religious household. Both my parents had dropped out of Christianity before I was born.

In summary, all the religions were right for the “times” in which they were revealed, but only one religion is right in any given age because that religion is the only religion that is pertinent to that age.

I said: Finally, after thousands of years of confusion, Baha’u’llah has explained that there is only One God and all the major religions were revealed by that One God. There never was any more than one God or one God per religion, people just did not have that information before. One God, many religions, very simple.

You said: Yet the number of people who follow Baha'u'llah or have even heard the name before is minuscule. Your god may WANT everyone to believe in it, but the evidence suggest that your god is terribly ineffectual at achieving that goal. So either your god actually does not want everyone to believe in it or your god is a fairly weak and limited god.

God just sends the Messenger. After that God’s job is done. It is not God’s job to achieve goals for humans. Humans have free will so it is their responsibility to choose to believe in the new religion or not.

Whenever a new Messenger of God appears a few pure souls recognize that Messenger and follow him. Then later more and more recognize Him and the religion grows. This takes time.

Just because only a few people recognize the Messenger in the beginning that does not mean that HE was a failure. Humans have the free will to choose and they are the ones who fail when they fail to recognize the Messenger of God. If a Messenger is really from God it has to be a failure on the part of humans to recognize Him because humans are fallible and they make mistakes. It cannot be God’s failure or the Messenger’s failure because they are both infallible and cannot make mistakes. This is logic 101 stuff.

The biggest obstacle to the growth of the Baha’i Faith is the fact that about 84% of people in the world already have a religion and they are happy with their religion. So there you have 84% of the world’s population, the vast majority of which are not even willing to consider the Baha’i Faith in order to determine if it is true or not. Then we have the rest of the world’s population who are agnostics or atheists or people who believe in God but dislike any religion.

Another problem is that not everyone knows about the Baha’i Faith and that is the fault of the Baha’is for not getting the message out to more people. Everyone knows about Mormonism because they have an organized system of getting the message out. I do not really know what is going on with the other Baha’is because I am not presently involved in community life. I do my own thing, thus the title Trailblazer.

 

[Bird123]

What I meant is that depending upon our religion or our philosophy of life, what we have learned and came to believe is true for us, we will act accordingly.

I believe that Prophets of God (what I normally refer to as Messengers) are sent by God to educate humanity. I believe they are mediators between man and God and they reveal the Will of God in every age of history. The scriptures of the Messengers guide individuals in their spiritual growth but they also include social teachings and laws that are necessary for humanity as a whole.

You are free to believe as you wish about Prophets because we all have free will. I do not want to argue.

God created humans so God knows the purpose of our existence (why we were created). Becoming our true self fulfills the purpose of our existence; or put another way, if we become our true self we fulfill the purpose of our existence.

We cannot know the purpose of our existence (what it means to become our true self) without communication from God through His Messengers. Being true to oneself if one does not know their true self (the purpose of their existence) could lead to any way of life one chooses. There has to be some kind of standard, guidelines to live by, and it makes sense that God sets the standard sinceGod created us. Within those guidelines, people have much freedom to choose how they will become their true self, and it will not be the same for everyone since we are all individuals.

How do you think you can know what God’s choices and actions are without any communication from God, which is the essence of true religion? One can look around in the world and attribute any number of things they see to God’s choices and actions.Assumptions about God’s choices actions are pure conjecture. Except for the creation that I attribute to God, I make no assumptions about God’s choices or actions because there is no way to know what God is doing at any time. I believe we can only know one thing that God does; He communicates through His Messengers, and whatever they communicated to us about God is the infallible Truth.

True religion does not corrupt anyone’s thinking. Rather,true religion is the mantle of justice and wisdom vouchsafed by God through Revelation.

What I am able to know about God has been revealed through Baha’u’llah. Anything else I might think I know would be pure conjecture. There is no way to know anything about God without an Intermediary between God and man because God is too great to be known directly. This is my belief. I share it because this is a religious forum. Nobody else is under any obligation to believe as I do. We all have free will.

People may be able to experience God’s Love, but that is a personal thing and I would never question anyone who has a personal experience.

Although God is fully aware of our doings, as well as what is in our heart and mind, I do not believe that anyone judges us except ourselves.I am not a Christian. At the end of this earthly journey, we will realize what our hands have wrought in our days and we will estimate the worth of our deeds. We will thus judge our own actions.

I have no idea where you got these ideas. I have been taught to value no such things but rather my religion teaches the exact opposite. Blaming, Judging, Condemning, Controlling, Ruling, Coercing and intimidating through fear or to attempt to alter another's actions through pain are an anathema in my religion. The proof of that is all throughout the Baha’i Writings.

My view does not include those things you noted: Blaming, Judging, Condemning, Controlling, Ruling, Coercing and intimidating through fear or to attempt to alter another's actions through pain.

To reiterate what I said: We are here on earth to learn. The purpose of Prophets is to educate all men such that they can make good choices and thereby prepare themselves for life in the spiritual world.

“The Prophets and Messengers of God have been sent down for the sole purpose of guiding mankind to the straight Path of Truth. The purpose underlying Their revelation hath been to educate all men, that they may, at the hour of death, ascend, in the utmost purity and sanctity and with absolute detachment, to the throne of the Most High.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 156-157

We create our own destiny by the choices we make. God does not make those choices for us but God knows what those choices will be because God’s essential knowledge surrounds the reality of all things.

God sheds His Love on all alike but there is no reason to believe that people should not be held accountable for their misdeeds. Certainly, people are all held accountable for their actions and justice is administered in the courts. Why should God not hold people accountable for their actions? That would be unjust. Would it be justice for God to treat a mass murderer the same way as a person who lived a godly life? What then would be the incentive to live a godly life?

I cannot say if or how God punishes anyone directly in this life or the next, as that is not stated in the Writings of my religion.

I do not think it is a matter of what we want but rather it is a matter of what is possible. Anyone can talk to God and God hears them but God does communicate to anyone except His Messengers.I think people can get inspiration from God but that is different from actual communication. One difference is that we cannot ever verify that inspiration is coming from God. People can “believe” that but it cannot be proven. It is only real to them.

I find it extremely ironic that believers who believe in God but not in religion say that religious believers“live in their created belief world” and“see only what they want to see.” That isexactly what believers who eschew religion are doing. They do not “like” what the Messengers of God have revealed because they might have to give up their own beliefs, succumb to a Higher Authority, so they retreat into their own little world of God beliefs and they see only what they want to see. They strike out at religious believers and the reason people strike out is because they feel threatened.

The difference between God believers and religious believers is that religious believers get their beliefs from a Higher Authority but the other believers just make up whatever suits them. Many people nowadays do not want to answer to a Higher Authority such as a Messenger of God, so they become their own authorities. This works for individuals but it cannot and will not work for society because there can never be unity and concord with everyone going their own way.

This dialogue and other I have had like it on this forum is proof of that. Those with their own personal belief systems always feel threatened by religious believers and that causes disharmony and disunity. I can only imagine if everyone went their own way and had their own God belief systems, the disharmony it would cause. I think it would be far better if people remained nonbelievers because they are neutral on the subject of god and they are generally not challenging religious believers, except when they request evidence that God exists. There is certainly nothing wrong with requesting that. God does not expect anyone to believe with no evidence. That would be unjust.

As I see it, God is “the most manifest of the manifest and the most hidden of the hidden.” What is manifest are a God’s Attributes and His Will for any age in history, and the way to know those are through His Messengers. It is true that we can see the Beauty of God’s Attributes reflected in Creation as well; in nature, in ourselves and in other people. God’s Essence is forever hidden. Every way is barred to the comprehension of God. Not even the Messengers of God know the Essence of God, they only hear His Voice through the Holy Spirit.

Some religious people believe blindly but all religious people do not believe blindly. Some of us believe based upon good evidence. That is not blind faith, it is reason-based faith.

You restrict yourself in so many ways when you place God in a box with only messengers for your access. If God talks to messengers, God can talk to you.

Does all your information about God come only from your messengers? It is so much easier to follow others than Discover Truth for yourself, however is it really better relying on mere beliefs than Discovering facts?

Can you think of no better way than mankind's rule,punish methods. You say you do not value the list of petty things yet you do and do not know it. Example: Punishment for people who choose evil. Unconditional Love which is God, always does what is best for the other. Is mere punishment really the answer? Is hurting those who hurt really justice?

Unconditional Love always does what is best for the other. Isn't the best thing for those who choose evil is to Teach them what evil really is and what they are doing?

Mankind's prisons are so sad. How much is being done to solve the choosing evil problem? Seems payback is valued over everything else. Isn't payback just an excuse to hate?

God's system is teaching everyone everyday as we speak regardless of mankind. Can you see that?

God is more open than you realize. It stares us all in the face. In this time-based causal universe God's actions can be seen. From there one can find understanding. It does take lots of work to see and understand.

As I see it, if one were to start a path to Discovery, there are a couple of things to take along. 1. Just like all the physics of this world add up, so does everything about God. If it does not add up, it's more than likely mankind. 2. Keep in mind, Ebb and Flow of true knowledge. Example: if I were to build a car, there are some things all cars must have, an engine, a way to stop and steer and a place to sit or ride. This sort of reasoning can move one forward.

When one understands one thing, it opens doors which lead to more doors which one, in time, can open. I think when one opens enough doors and understands God enough, finding or actually communicating with God is the next step. None of God's children are restricted in any way. From here, hang onto your hat.

The question remains; Who actually wants a conversation with God? I find very few who do.

 

[CG Didymus]

I guess you mean there must be proof of God’s existence first.

That is impossible because there is no proof that God exists. There is only evidence.

Is God speaking audibly from heaven proof? 'Cause the NT says God spoke from heaven. And in the Bible, God let Moses see his back and spoke to him. Is that proof?

 

[CG Didymus]

I did not insist that YOU do not require verifiable evidence. I said “I certainly do not know what it takes for you or anyone else to believe in God. I only know what it took for me.”

I also said “Every man is capable of believing in God because they were created that way. But that does not mean every man will be able to do what they are capable of doing. Lots of things happen in a person’s lifetime and some things that happen make it more difficult for some people to believe in God.”

Why do you have to call me gullible, so you can make yourself seem more circumspect than me? Why can’t you just understand that we are different, that believers are different than nonbelievers in what they require to believe in God? That said, I would be gullible if I had not spent years and years researching the Baha’i Faith.

Why do so many atheists have to put down believers? I am not putting down any atheists, I never do that. I just try to understand how they think and share what I believe and explain why I believe it.

The fact that they can't agree on their beliefs does not indicate that they are deluding themselves. It indicates that they all have a different religion, usually the one they were raised in, and they cling to that religion for dear life. So naturally a Christian is not going to agree with a Buddhist or a Muslim. They think they are the only ones who are right and everyone else is wrong. In that sense they are deluded because every religion was right for the time period (dispensation) in which it was revealed, until another religion was revealed... Then the new religion that was revealed was right in the sense that it was the “most current religion,” the religion God wanted everyone to follow in the new age.

But people of the older religions don’t know that because they are not privy to the core Baha’i theology called Progressive Revelation. Even when Baha’is tell them and they do know, they still cling to their older religions because it is human nature to feel more secure with what ine is familiar with. I never had that problem because I was not raised in a religious household. Both my parents had dropped out of Christianity before I was born.

In summary, all the religions were right for the “times” in which they were revealed, but only one religion is right in any given age because that religion is the only religion that is pertinent to that age.

God just sends the Messenger. After that God’s job is done. It is not God’s job to achieve goals for humans. Humans have free will so it is their responsibility to choose to believe in the new religion or not.

Whenever a new Messenger of God appears a few pure souls recognize that Messenger and follow him. Then later more and more recognize Him and the religion grows. This takes time.

Just because only a few people recognize the Messenger in the beginning that does not mean that HE was a failure. Humans have the free will to choose and they are the ones who fail when they fail to recognize the Messenger of God. If a Messenger is really from God it has to be a failure on the part of humans to recognize Him because humans are fallible and they make mistakes. It cannot be God’s failure or the Messenger’s failure because they are both infallible and cannot make mistakes. This is logic 101 stuff.

The biggest obstacle to the growth of the Baha’i Faith is the fact that about 84% of people in the world already have a religion and they are happy with their religion. So there you have 84% of the world’s population, the vast majority of which are not even willing to consider the Baha’i Faith in order to determine if it is true or not. Then we have the rest of the world’s population who are agnostics or atheists or people who believe in God but dislike any religion.

Another problem is that not everyone knows about the Baha’i Faith and that is the fault of the Baha’is for not getting the message out to more people. Everyone knows about Mormonism because they have an organized system of getting the message out. I do not really know what is going on with the other Baha’is because I am not presently involved in community life. I do my own thing, thus the title Trailblazer.

Religious people cling to what they believe is the truth. Each religion has reasons from their Scriptures as to why they believe they have the truth. And it makes enough sense for believers in the different religions to believe their religion is right and the Baha'i Faith is wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is God speaking audibly from heaven proof? 'Cause the NT says God spoke from heaven. And in the Bible, God let Moses see his back and spoke to him. Is that proof?

No, that is merely a story in a book of myths.

 

[Trailblazer]

Is God speaking audibly from heaven proof? 'Cause the NT says God spoke from heaven. And in the Bible, God let Moses see his back and spoke to him. Is that proof?

I guess you are referring to the Burning Bush.
We do not know that the story was even true, or if it was just an allegory.
I believe that God communicated to Moses through the Holy Spirit, but that was only proof to Moses. It is also proof to those who believe in Moses.

Likewise, Baha'u'llah is proof to me that God exists but it is not proof to everyone...
When I said that there is no proof that God exists, I meant there is no objective proof that is demonstrable to all people.

 

[oldbadger]

On another forum I said: “One reason God does not communicate to everyone is because everyone does not deserve to know that God exists.” I said that people have to be willing to sincerely search for God using their own innate powers of reasoning in order to be worthy of knowing God exists, rather than just sitting back and doing nothing, waiting for God to communicate to them.

How dreadful.............
And so Bahais in a Bahai World will be able to treat non-bahais as being bad or undeserving of God's favour?

And so a new elitism would enter a Bahai World, reducing all others to a lower level of favour in your God;'s view?

May you never succeed....

 

[Trailblazer]

Religious people cling to what they believe is the truth. Each religion has reasons from their Scriptures as to why they believe they have the truth. And it makes enough sense for believers in the different religions to believe their religion is right and the Baha'i Faith is wrong.

It does not matter what they believe; if they are wrong, they are wrong.

If the Baha'i Faith is right, religious people who believe that ONLY their religion is right are wrong.

Baha'is believe all religions were right during their own dispensation...

It makes no logical sense that only one religion is right and all the others are wrong because that would mean that God favors a certain religious group and rejects all the other religious believers.

It makes no logical sense that a religion that was revealed thousands of years ago is right for this new age...

All these are the reasons why I am a Baha'i.

 

[Trailblazer]

Trailblazer said:
On another forum I said: “One reason God does not communicate to everyone is because everyone does not deserve to know that God exists.” I said that people have to be willing to sincerely search for God using their own innate powers of reasoning in order to be worthy of knowing God exists, rather than just sitting back and doing nothing, waiting for God to communicate to them.

How dreadful.............
And so Bahais in a Bahai World will be able to treat non-bahais as being bad or undeserving of God's favour?

And so a new elitism would enter a Bahai World, reducing all others to a lower level of favour in your God;'s view?

May you never succeed....

I have no idea how you got Baha'i out of what I said, let alone the conclusions you came to.... I absolutely did not mean what you just attributed to my post.

My statement was about God communicating directly with everyone vs. communicating to only one Messenger. It was a general statement that applies to people searching for and recognizing the Messengers of God in whatever age in which they appear. What I said has nothing to do with the Baha'i Faith.

 

[oldbadger]

I have no idea how you got Baha'i out of what I said, let alone the conclusions you came to.... I absolutely did not mean what you just attributed to my post.

That's easy to answer......................

My statement was about God communicating directly with everyone vs. communicating to only one Messenger.

Yes...... and in a Bahai World, where only Bahais would have a vote, and only Bahais could hold government office, Bahais could tell the World, 'We know that God only communicates to us Bahais, and because you have not joined us this clearly shows that we were right to exclude you from voting rights, and to exclude you from Local, National and the World Houses of Justice. The true God clearly wants to guide us Bahais..... only, because his messenger for this era is the Bahai messenger!'

*shivers*

It was a general statement that applies to people searching for and recognizing the Messengers of God in whatever age in which they appear. What I said has nothing to do with the Baha'i Faith.

Of course it does........ and in a Bahai World everybody who could not identify that the messenger is the Bahai messenger, then by definition they would be unfit to make any decisions about who should sit upon the Houses of Justice, or to have any chance of a seat themselves.

You may not see this, but there's plenty of us who do.
It's World political extremism on a whole new scale.

 

[1213]

The Holy Spirit came to everyone when Jesus shed His glory upon all mankind. ..

According to the Bible, only for disciples of Jesus.

 

[PureX]

On another forum I said: “One reason God does not communicate to everyone is because everyone does not deserve to know that God exists.” I said that people have to be willing to sincerely search for God using their own innate powers of reasoning in order to be worthy of knowing God exists, rather than just sitting back and doing nothing, waiting for God to communicate to them.

Then this one atheist said that was a lame-*** excuse and he says it is just common sense that God should communicate directly to everyone.

This is what he has been saying to me for over three years. Everyone (all of the 7.4 billion people in the world) should get direct communication from God. God should not use Messengers because not everyone believes in them, especially in the beginning, when they first show up on earth.

What do you think; does everyone on earth deserve direct communication from God or should people be required to search for God themselves?

I see no logical reason why an entity deemed to be the source, sustenance, and purpose of all that exists would need to communicate with any of us. After all, everything that exists will be existing as a direct result of It.