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Cuban Missile Crisis II

ajay0

Well-Known Member
free speech is not really censored in Russia to any significant degree. nothing like it was in the USSR. They learned their lesson to do like they do here - ignore unpleasant free speech.

It still exists to a certain degree.

There are also political assassinations -

Boris Nemtsov, a liberal politician , theoretical physicist and fierce critic of Putin, was shot dead hours after appealing to the public to support a march against Russia's war in Ukraine.

Assassination of Boris Nemtsov - Wikipedia

Boris Nemtsov - Wikipedia
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Once in place no election could ever displace them. The last Russian election was as crooked as a dogs hind leg.

Expansionism and hyper "patriotism" demanded of the people keeps their eyes off the crumbling Russian economy and other internal problems.
Does this sound like anywhere else to anyone?
Or maybe it sounds like someONE else, maybe?
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
it is not matter of free speech but decency. Public there is much more conservative than in the West, just, try imagine open cussing on TV in US in 60's, no?
Stopping speech because of "decency" is still censorship and a restriction of free speech.
 

socharlie

Active Member
It still exists to a certain degree.

There are also political assassinations -

Boris Nemtsov, a liberal politician , theoretical physicist and fierce critic of Putin, was shot dead hours after appealing to the public to support a march against Russia's war in Ukraine.

Assassination of Boris Nemtsov - Wikipedia

Boris Nemtsov - Wikipedia
I do not see Putin's 'bloody hand' in Nemtsov's murder. Nemtsov made a lot of enemies like, e.g. Zhiranovsky, Nemtsov worked with Ukranians, a lot of questionable tiers.
 

socharlie

Active Member
Stopping speech because of "decency" is still censorship and a restriction of free speech.
it may be, but public is a lot different there, they much easier take matter into their own hands that her. They get much deeper involved .
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I do not see Putin's 'bloody hand' in Nemtsov's murder. Nemtsov made a lot of enemies like, e.g. Zhiranovsky, Nemtsov worked with Ukranians, a lot of questionable tiers.
I guess you don't see Putin's bloody hand in the '99 Apartment Bombings or Litvenenko's murder, either.
 

socharlie

Active Member
I guess you don't see Putin's bloody hand in the '99 Apartment Bombings or Litvenenko's murder, either.
by no means I am saying that Putin is saint. He is a politician after all but I think he is to much lesser degree psychopath that majority of the Western leaders. Lesser negative number is positive in comparison with greater negative numbers.
 

socharlie

Active Member
One wonders why the authoritarian Christians who want to censor speech, rig elections, "lock 'em up", and discriminate against gay people don't just move to Russia.
Tom
elections are rigged everywhere, US is the king, not Russia, as I say I know how restricted ability speak freely looks like - I lived through it.Discrimination against gay people is more complex issue, word "closet" did not come from Russia, Their national interest does not include gay problems exactly as it was in ancient Israel.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Does this sound like anywhere else to anyone?
Or maybe it sounds like someONE else, maybe?
Does this sound like anywhere else to anyone?
Or maybe it sounds like someONE else, maybe?
It sounds like someone who has taken an interest in, and has studied Russian history. I knew the history and understood the implications before you were born. Keep your innuendoes and guilt by no association to yourself, you show your ignorance in drive by posts like this.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Yoiur point being what ?

Does that really need an explanation? I've been around since the Cuban Missile Crisis so I hardly need the weapons of war explained to me. The whole point was that it is the precedence set by the first use of a nuclear weapon since WWII that might just make things escalate rather dramatically.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Does that really need an explanation? I've been around since the Cuban Missile Crisis so I hardly need the weapons of war explained to me. The whole point was that it is the precedence set by the first use of a nuclear weapon since WWII that might just make things escalate rather dramatically.
I have been around since before then as well. You might be right, depending upon the chosen response. Mypoint is that a tactical nuke torpedo could have been viewed as an attack upon a ship, with a conventional almost as effective response, as opposed to a full scale strategic first strike, which requires a full scale nuclear strike in return, armageddon.
 
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