Any materialists have the support to debate 1:1?

[1137]

After yet another Materialist refused to support or defend their position, I figured I'd make it an open invitation. Just let me know!

 

[1137]

I propose that materialism is an unsupported, faith based position.

 

[Axe Elf]

I propose that materialism is an unsupported, faith based position.

All positions are faith-based positions, since all facts are based in faith.

 

[Subduction Zone]

After yet another Materialist refused to support or defend their position, I figured I'd make it an open invitation. Just let me know!

Really? When did that happen?

 

[1137]

Really? When did that happen?

With you in the other thread silly, is your memory alright? Remember the whole "we can reject things without evidence" discussion where you were asked dozens of times to show any evidence supports materialism and couldn't?

Of course you do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

With you in the other thread silly, is your memory alright? Remember the whole "we can reject things without evidence" discussion where you were asked dozens of times to show any evidence supports materialism and couldn't?

Of course you do.

You said "materialist" can't you follow a conversation? I never claimed to be a materialist. I pointed out that error of yours in the other thread. And yes, I remember the conversation that you did not understand. The one where you made a positive assertion and could not support it therefore losing the debate.

In a debate one must be ready to support one's claims. You were unable to do that. It is why you lost and I have no interest in debating you. I do not mind correcting you. That I will probably be doing for quite some time.

 

[1137]

You said "materialist" can't you follow a conversation? I never claimed to be a materialist. I pointed out that error of yours in the other thread. And yes, I remember the conversation that you did not understand. The one where you made a positive assertion and could not support it therefore losing the debate.

In a debate one must be ready to support one's claims. You were unable to do that. It is why you lost and I have no interest in debating you. I do not mind correcting you. That I will probably be doing for quite some time.

Did support my claim. Reported for trolling AGAIN and harrassment, and blocked.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Did support my claim. Reported for trolling AGAIN and harrassment, and blocked.

You can't "block". You can ignore. You made errors. I corrected the error multiple times and explained your error at great lengths with links to support my claims. You simply ignored the correction. Do you even know what "trolling" is? Trolling is making statements without support. That is not what I did. You merely repeated the unsupported claim of "there is no evidence for materialism". I offered to give you evidence once you owned up to your corrected errors and owned up to them. You did correct your error in one post, but then you went back to your old standby. You never owned up to your mistake.

I also explained how you have not been following the rules of debate and that is why I have no wish to go one on one with you. I will merely correct your errors until you correct them or defend your claims.

 

[David T]

I propose that materialism is an unsupported, faith based position.

The narrative.or the reality? I mean are we talking about perceptions or are we arguing semantics?
Two birds can argue "I believe" or I don't believe" while both see this pollack:

While reality is the next image which neither sees . If the argument goes on long enough they both starve to death and become extinct over time. If the rest of us are so lucky....

 

[Subduction Zone]

The narrative.or the reality? I mean are we talking about perceptions or are we arguing semantics?

I think that we are dealing with a strawman definition here. I have not seen a well defined version of the term yet from the OP.

 

[David T]

I think that we are dealing with a strawman definition here. I have not seen a well defined version of the term yet from the OP.

Yep that's the problem I edited my post a bit btw to clarify what I was trying to get to. Definitely I am alluding to straw man/strawman!!!! It can cut both ways strawman arguing with straw man. One strawman says look no gaps, the other straw man says look gaps!!!

 

[1137]

Are we now pretending materialism isn't a position?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are we now pretending materialism isn't a position?

He appears to be asking for a definition. As I have. Link please.

 

[Phantasman]

After yet another Materialist refused to support or defend their position, I figured I'd make it an open invitation. Just let me know!

I guess I would ask a question here to get clarity.

Are you asking if the material (world), what we see, touch, smell, etc. is what is the only thing that is real, and only what is real to us is desired over any other thing(s) the mind can conceive?

Material is the physical. Spirit is the spiritual. They are separate. Some are convinced only the material exists.

Am I getting this correct?

 

[Audie]

I guess I would ask a question here to get clarity.

Are you asking if the material (world), what we see, touch, smell, etc. is what is the only thing that is real, and only what is real to us is desired over any other thing(s) the mind can conceive?

Material is the physical. Spirit is the spiritual. They are separate. Some are convinced only the material exists.

Am I getting this correct?

This thread topic is s classic srawman.
I defy anyone to find such a person as thinks
only "material" things exist

"Spiritual" means, what?

Math is not a material thing. Nobody
will attempt to show it does not exist.

 

[Phantasman]

Are we now pretending materialism isn't a position?

What drives materialists crazy is that consciousness cannot be seen, tasted, smelled, touched, heard, or studied in a laboratory. But how could it be otherwise? Consciousness is the very thing that is DOING the seeing, the tasting, the smelling, etc… We define material objects by their effect upon our senses – how they feel in our hands, how they appear to our eyes. But we know consciousness simply by BEING it!

 

[Audie]

What drives materialists crazy is that consciousness cannot be seen, tasted, smelled, touched, heard, or studied in a laboratory. But how could it be otherwise? Consciousness is the very thing that is DOING the seeing, the tasting, the smelling, etc… We define material objects by their effect upon our senses – how they feel in our hands, how they appear to our eyes. But we know consciousness simply by BEING it!

Now we have non- existent people being driven crazy.

How droll.

 

[JustWondering]

What drives materialists crazy is that consciousness cannot be seen, tasted, smelled, touched, heard, or studied in a laboratory. But how could it be otherwise? Consciousness is the very thing that is DOING the seeing, the tasting, the smelling, etc… We define material objects by their effect upon our senses – how they feel in our hands, how they appear to our eyes. But we know consciousness simply by BEING it!

Are you saying the gray matter sitting between our ears has no bearing on consciousness?

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[Hockeycowboy]

All positions are faith-based positions, since all facts are based in faith.

2+2, isn’t. 10x10, isn’t. Germany and Japan were defeated in WWII, isnt.

 

[1137]

Yep that's the problem I edited my post a bit btw to clarify what I was trying to get to. Definitely I am alluding to straw man/strawman!!!! It can cut both ways strawman arguing with straw man. One strawman says look no gaps, the other straw man says look gaps!!!

So because you don't fit the term the term is a straw man? Ha!

Materialism - Wikipedia

Materialism

I guess I would ask a question here to get clarity.

Are you asking if the material (world), what we see, touch, smell, etc. is what is the only thing that is real, and only what is real to us is desired over any other thing(s) the mind can conceive?

Material is the physical. Spirit is the spiritual. They are separate. Some are convinced only the material exists.

Am I getting this correct?

Yes, materialism is the position that only matter exists.

This thread topic is s classic srawman.
I defy anyone to find such a person as thinks
only "material" things exist

"Spiritual" means, what?

Math is not a material thing. Nobody
will attempt to show it does not exist.

Literally tons of people believe math is not something objectively existent. The idea that it is is mathematical Platonism, which you probably don't want to accept because Platonism implies polytheism.

But yes, materialism actually rejects the objective existence of mathematical ontology. Again I agree it's an absurd position.

What drives materialists crazy is that consciousness cannot be seen, tasted, smelled, touched, heard, or studied in a laboratory. But how could it be otherwise? Consciousness is the very thing that is DOING the seeing, the tasting, the smelling, etc… We define material objects by their effect upon our senses – how they feel in our hands, how they appear to our eyes. But we know consciousness simply by BEING it!

Exactly, well said.