Creation vs evolution

[`mud]

 

[Faithofchristian]

It is not reliable period. Parts of it are clearly mythical. It is not even reliable to you. You keep running away from just one of many questions that tell us that you do not believe all of it either.

By the way, how is proving you wrong helping you? Now if you were able to learn from your errors that would be the case. Sadly you have not owned up to your errors yet.

To you and others say the bible is unreliable, but to those who do believe what is written within the pages of the bible it is reliable.

But then the bible is not the question.
The Thread is about ( Creation vs Evolution
And not ( Bible vs Evolution)

I only bring in the Bible to hlep me give support on Creation.

As do people who bring in Scientist to support them on Evolution.

 

[Subduction Zone]

To you and others say the bible is unreliable, but to those who do believe what is written within the pages of the bible it is reliable.

And there you go saying "The sky is green" again.

But then the bible is not the question.
The Thread is about ( Creation vs Evolution
And not ( Bible vs Evolution)

Which creation story then? We know the one in the Bible is wrong.

I only bring in the Bible to hlep me give support on Creation.

Thus in effect admitting that you are wrong.

As do people who bring in Scientist to support them on Evolution.

The scientific method produces reliable results. You cannot honestly claim the same about the Bible.

By the way, I thought that you thought you understood the Bible better than I did. You ignored my latest challenge.

 

[sayak83]

To you and others say the bible is unreliable, but to those who do believe what is written within the pages of the bible it is reliable.

But then the bible is not the question.
The Thread is about ( Creation vs Evolution
And not ( Bible vs Evolution)

I only bring in the Bible to hlep me give support on Creation.

As do people who bring in Scientist to support them on Evolution.

No. We critically assess and examine the evidence brought in through science and determine for ourselves that the evidence warrants the conclusion that evolution happened. Our claims are based on our own assessment of the evidence and conclusions of science, and not mere apriori faith in the authority of any scientist or their work. You however start from a prior faith in the Bible and do not critically assess its claims to decide if they are true or false. Then you proceed to construct a made up reality that confirms to your prior faith in the Bible and decide that it has to be true. In effect you are constructing a fantasy you want to believe in, and not assess what is in fact, real.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Yes, exactly. Just because a person says a thing is a certain way, doesn't mean it is. So just because you say the Bible is the reliable word of God, doesn't make it so, just because you believe it.

I used the sky colour to illustrate my point about confirmation bias. Perhaps you could address that point.

Look just because a person said the sky is green, doesn't make it so with other people, That person may believe the sky is green to them.

The same scenario with the bible.
You may not believe the bible is reliable, that doesn't mean other people has to see it your way. Other people may see the bible as reliable.

 

[Faithofchristian]

No. We critically assess and examine the evidence brought in through science and determine for ourselves that the evidence warrants the conclusion that evolution happened. Our claims are based on our own assessment of the evidence and conclusions of science, and not mere apriori faith in the authority of any scientist or their work. You however start from a prior faith in the Bible and do not critically assess its claims to decide if they are true or false. Then you proceed to construct a made up reality that confirms to your prior faith in the Bible and decide that it has to be true. In effect you are constructing a fantasy you want to believe in, and not assess what is in fact, real.

Like I said, the bible may not be true to you, that does not mean other people will see it your way.
Other people may see the bible as true.

Just because you rely on other people to tell you what is and what not true in the Bible.
Does not mean that other people are going to rely on other people to tell them.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Look just because a person said the sky is green, doesn't make it so with other people, That person may believe the sky is green to them.

Of course, but that does not mean the sky is actually green, especially when it is demonstrably not green.

My schizophrenic friend thinks he is Napolean Bonaparte. He can believe that all he wants, but it doesn't make it true simply because he believes it. He is demonstrably not Napolean Bonaparte.

The same scenario with the bible.
You may not believe the bible is reliable, that doesn't mean other people has to see it your way. Other people may see the bible as reliable.

If it's only reliable to people who already have a stake in believing it, but not to anybody else, then it isn't reliable, in general.
All you've managed to do is demonstrate your confirmation bias, which as I pointed out, is an error in reasoning. In other words, your position is not based in sound reasoning.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Look just because a person said the sky is green, doesn't make it so with other people, That person may believe the sky is green to them.

The same scenario with the bible.
You may not believe the bible is reliable, that doesn't mean other people has to see it your way. Other people may see the bible as reliable.

You do not seem to understand that you are the one "calling the sky green".

We can take a spectral analysis of the light from the sky and show that it is not green. We can check the evidence on what the past says and see that the Bible is wrong in both Genesis and Exodus.. The claims of the Bible are demonstrably wrong just as the sky is demonstrably not green.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of course, but that does not mean the sky is actually green, especially when it is demonstrably not green.

My schizophrenic friend thinks he is Napolean Bonaparte. He can believe that all he wants, but it doesn't make it true simply because he believes it. He is demonstrably not Napolean Bonaparte.


If it's only reliable to people who already have a stake in believing it, but not to anybody else, then it isn't reliable.
All you've managed to do is demonstrate your confirmation bias, which as I pointed out, is an error in reasoning. In other words, your position is not based in sound reasoning.

Of course he is demonstrably not Napoleon, That would be me. Here, I just took a selfie:

 

[Subduction Zone]

That phone is a bit of a dinosaur, here is another:

 

[SkepticThinker]

That phone is a bit of a dinosaur, here is another:

Ohh, sexy Napoleon!

 

[`mud]

I sense some evolvement here....but it's still plaid !

 

[`mud]

hey Faith,
The thread, as you have said, is about creation vs evolution.
And you have quoted quite a few quotes from the bible.
Wheather or not your `gods` wrote them, these quotes are not any evidence that `god` exsists.
These quotes from Moses and others do not prove that Adam and Eve came from the dust of the Earth do they ? From where did that `dust` come ? What rotted away to generate it, if it was `dust`. Maybe the `dust` came from the sand that was created by `god`, by a wave of his hand.
From what was the `sand` made, or did He make it from `nothingness` or the water that was everywhere. From what entity were the first two humans made, where'd he get the `soil` ?
I'm sure you have some answers, when the stars are still shining in dim light of creation.
NuffStuff

 

[Faithofchristian]

Of course, but that does not mean the sky is actually green, especially when it is demonstrably not green.

My schizophrenic friend thinks he is Napolean Bonaparte. He can believe that all he wants, but it doesn't make it true simply because he believes it. He is demonstrably not Napolean Bonaparte.


If it's only reliable to people who already have a stake in believing it, but not to anybody else, then it isn't reliable, in general.
All you've managed to do is demonstrate your confirmation bias, which as I pointed out, is an error in reasoning. In other words, your position is not based in sound reasoning.

So who gave you the right to determine what is sound reasoning for other people.

So all you haved managed to do is demonstrated your confirmation bias. In trying to tell other people what they should think according to you.

You really need to wake up and face the real world, people will think what they want to think regardless of how you think people should think. That's not reality.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So who gave you the right to determine what is sound reasoning for other people.

So all you haved managed to do is demonstrated your confirmation bias. In trying to tell other people what they should think according to you.

You really need to wake up and face the real world, people will think what they want to think regardless of how you think people should think. That's not reality.

You are merely copying others now and trying to use a phrase that you do not understand. That is not very "Christian" of you.

 

[Faithofchristian]

hey Faith,
The thread, as you have said, is about creation vs evolution.
And you have quoted quite a few quotes from the bible.
Wheather or not your `gods` wrote them, these quotes are not any evidence that `god` exsists.
These quotes from Moses and others do not prove that Adam and Eve came from the dust of the Earth do they ? From where did that `dust` come ? What rotted away to generate it, if it was `dust`. Maybe the `dust` came from the sand that was created by `god`, by a wave of his hand.
From what was the `sand` made, or did He make it from `nothingness` or the water that was everywhere. From what entity were the first two humans made, where'd he get the `soil` ?
I'm sure you have some answers, when the stars are still shining in dim light of creation.
NuffStuff

Hey Mud
The Thread is not about whether God exist or not, The Thread is about
( Creation vs Evolution )

I didn't produce quotes from the bible to prove whether God exists or not, but to show how people to day are fulfilling Prophecy of the bible.

There are people who are criticizing the bible, not knowing the very bible they are criticizing have given Prophecy about them a little over 2000 years ago. How people in these last days of earth's history are fulfilling Prophecy of the bible, For every time people criticize the bible, That they have no idea or clue about themselves fulfilling Prophecy in to days world. That was given a little over 2000 years ago.

When I see this and others that I know see this, it just confirm's our belief more and more of the Bible.
Oh yeah, people could say, hey anyone could give Prophecy and not know if it really happens or not, but the problem with that is, we are seeing what those said a little over 2000 years ago are actually coming true just the way they describe things would be to day.
How people would be going to and from in earth and how knowledge would increase. What other time in the history of the earth has knowledge increase as it has in these times that we're living in and yet still increasing in knowledge.
But what has man done with this knowledge accept to try destroy himself ?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hey Mud
The Thread is not about whether God exist or not, The Thread is about
( Creation vs Evolution )

I didn't produce quotes from the bible to prove whether God exists or not, but to show how people to day are fulfilling Prophecy of the bible.

There are people who are criticizing the bible, not knowing the very bible they are criticizing have given Prophecy about them a little over 2000 years ago. How people in these last days of earth's history are fulfilling Prophecy of the bible, For every time people criticize the bible, That they have no idea or clue about themselves fulfilling Prophecy in to days world. That was given a little over 2000 years ago.

When I see this and others that I know see this, it just confirm's our belief more and more of the Bible.
Oh yeah, people could say, hey anyone could give Prophecy and not know if it really happens or not, but the problem with that is, we are seeing what those said a little over 2000 years ago are actually coming true just the way they describe things would be to day.
How people would be going to and from in earth and how knowledge would increase. What other time in the history of the earth has knowledge increase as it has in these times that we're living in and yet still increasing in knowledge.
But what has man done with this knowledge accept to try destroy himself ?

Your "fulfilled" prophecies are not very convincing when you have to jump through all sorts of hoops to fulfill them while in the meantime ignoring the terribly failed prophecies of the Bible. Even by merely using prophecies that Bible is demonstrated to be unreliable.

 

[Faithofchristian]

You are merely copying others now and trying to use a phrase that you do not understand. That is not very "Christian" of you.

Maybe that's because I am not like other Christians.have you thought about that and I am not alone. There are others and were growing in numbers.
And that to is Prophecy in the Bible being fulfilled. Have you read the book of Revelation or what Jesus has said in the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

In all those books they are describing exactly the world that we are living in to
the T.
Look around you at all the violence that is taking place, earthquakes, people killing people, Nations against Nations. Wars and rumors of War, All as Jesus fortold in Prophecy in the Books of Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 and the book of Revelation. But as Jesus fortold,
People would be going about business as usual. Not even realizing what is happening around them.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Your "fulfilled" prophecies are not very convincing when you have to jump through all sorts of hoops to fulfill them while in the meantime ignoring the terribly failed prophecies of the Bible. Even by merely using prophecies that Bible is demonstrated to be unreliable.

Can you give one Prophecy that as failed, as you say.

 

[Looncall]

Hey Mud
The Thread is not about whether God exist or not, The Thread is about
( Creation vs Evolution )

I didn't produce quotes from the bible to prove whether God exists or not, but to show how people to day are fulfilling Prophecy of the bible.

There are people who are criticizing the bible, not knowing the very bible they are criticizing have given Prophecy about them a little over 2000 years ago. How people in these last days of earth's history are fulfilling Prophecy of the bible, For every time people criticize the bible, That they have no idea or clue about themselves fulfilling Prophecy in to days world. That was given a little over 2000 years ago.

When I see this and others that I know see this, it just confirm's our belief more and more of the Bible.
Oh yeah, people could say, hey anyone could give Prophecy and not know if it really happens or not, but the problem with that is, we are seeing what those said a little over 2000 years ago are actually coming true just the way they describe things would be to day.
How people would be going to and from in earth and how knowledge would increase. What other time in the history of the earth has knowledge increase as it has in these times that we're living in and yet still increasing in knowledge.
But what has man done with this knowledge accept to try destroy himself ?

Even if there are accurate prophesies, Genesis is not therefore shown to be accurate. You need to produce evidence from reality to support creationism, not ancient fables.