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Why can nothing be added to the Bible?

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
Someone wanted a thread for this topic, so I decided to start one.
So here it is?

Why do some think the Bible is complete with 66 books, some have more than 66 books, some have less?
Who decides what constitutes the holy scriptures, and who decides whether or not there can be ongoing additions?
Also, why do some people think the Bible is the only holy scriptures and others think there may be different books?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Someone wanted a thread for this topic, so I decided to start one.
So here it is?

Why do some think the Bible is complete with 66 books, some have more than 66 books, some have less?
Who decides what constitutes the holy scriptures, and who decides whether or not there can be ongoing additions?
Also, why do some people think the Bible is the only holy scriptures and others think there may be different books?

A lot of people quote Revelations about having plagues added on, or your name taken out of the Book of Life. Well I haven't seen any outbreaks of plague occur so far in light of the insane amount of versions that are out now.
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
I think there would have to be another savior, wouldn't there ?
What cross will it die on ?
Another book ? Really ?
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Someone wanted a thread for this topic, so I decided to start one.
So here it is?

Why do some think the Bible is complete with 66 books, some have more than 66 books, some have less?
It's what they've been convinced to think.

Who decides what constitutes the holy scriptures, and who decides whether or not there can be ongoing additions?
All of these are the result of those sponsoring a particular translation. If they wanted John 3:16 to read,

"16 Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in with him would not be lost but have eternal life."
Then that's how the translation would read. Period!

Also, why do some people think the Bible is the only holy scriptures and others think there may be different books?
They don't. I think everybody recognizes that besides the Bible there are other scriptures considered to be holy. And other people think there are other/different books because that's what they've been convinced to believe, just as you've been convinced to believe whatever it is you believe. :shrug:

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InChrist

Free4ever
Someone wanted a thread for this topic, so I decided to start one.
So here it is?

Why do some think the Bible is complete with 66 books, some have more than 66 books, some have less?
Who decides what constitutes the holy scriptures, and who decides whether or not there can be ongoing additions?
Also, why do some people think the Bible is the only holy scriptures and others think there may be different books?
Because Jesus Christ has already come and been revealed. All the information pertaining to the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Christ and the mystery of God hidden throughout history has already been revealed through the gospel message of the scriptures. Everything necessary for salvation and eternal life, to know and love God and others is contained in the Bible, no more is needed.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Because Jesus Christ has already come and been revealed. All the information pertaining to the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Christ and the mystery of God hidden throughout history has already been revealed through the gospel message of the scriptures. Everything necessary for salvation and eternal life, to know and love God and others is contained in the Bible, no more is needed.
There's so many gaps and missing information about Jesus it's a real wonder why people even think it's a complete allegory in the first place.
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
hey Aldrnari,
Re: Zoroastrians, do they swords, and `spirits`, and heaven ?
I'll look them up, my memory isn't as good as used to be.
I'll get back later, with a lot more data.
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
hey Aldrnari,
A quick look:
Persian beliefs of two separate conscious persons, physical and spiritual.
They follow the asha universal laws of creation, not with dust and water,
but with the fire of transition between the two states of conscientiousness
Created by Ahura Mazda according to laws of the book of Shahnameh, the book of kings.
There are many varieties that exist and more, much older than that.
Seems somewhat interesting, with the heavenly concepts and all.
But......not my cup of tea. My `spirit` is mineself and that's all there is,
when it leaves, it's gone.
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
hey Aldrnari,
A quick look:
Persian beliefs of two separate conscious persons, physical and spiritual.
They follow the asha universal laws of creation, not with dust and water,
but with the fire of transition between the two states of conscientiousness
Created by Ahura Mazda according to laws of the book of Shahnameh, the book of kings.
There are many varieties that exist and more, much older than that.
Seems somewhat interesting, with the heavenly concepts and all.
But......not my cup of tea. My `spirit` is mineself and that's all there is,
when it leaves, it's gone.

Where will it go?
 

Frater Sisyphus

Contradiction, irrationality and disorder
I think it's always referring to the book itself - not the entire "bible", and there are quite a few books in the Christian orthodox bible that features some kind of variation of "Don't change anything in this book, this is the word of G-d".
In truth, there are so many versions of those scriptures that to take into account the warning seriously, would scare any truly serious Christian.

And then you've got other post-Abrahamic religions like Mormonism, which is more than just a few books difference (rather approx another 40 books added)
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Someone wanted a thread for this topic, so I decided to start one.
So here it is?

Why do some think the Bible is complete with 66 books, some have more than 66 books, some have less?
Who decides what constitutes the holy scriptures, and who decides whether or not there can be ongoing additions?
Also, why do some people think the Bible is the only holy scriptures and others think there may be different books?
Well, let's take a brief look at the evolution of the biblical canon. In 1740, a list of the canonical books compiled in Rome just prior to 200 A.D. was discovered in the Ambrosian Library in Milan, Italy. Missing from the accepted canon in 200 A.D. were Hebrews, James, 1 Peter and 2 Peter. Only two of John's letters were considered canonical, not three, but we don't know for sure which two. The Apocalypse of Peter and the Wisdom of Solomon, however, were included.

Eusebius of Caesara, one of the most notable Church historians to have ever lived, described (in about 300 A.D.) a canon which included only twenty-seven of the books in today's New Testament. Hebrews, James, and 2 Peter where described as questionable, as were Jude and Revelation. In the fourth century, St. Gregory of Nazianzus continued to reject Revelation and states, "You have all. If there is any any besides these, it is not among the genuine [books]." The canon he set forth was ratified some three centuries later.

The Greek Codex Claromontanus, one of the most significant New Testament manuscripts, contains a list of the canonical books of the fourth century. (The manuscript itself originates in the sixth century, however most scholars believe that the actual list dates back to the Alexandrian Church from two centuries earlier.) That list did not exclude Philippians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians or Hebrews. But guess what? It does include the Epistle of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas.

Other books that are mentioned by name in today's Bibles cannot be found there at all. One example is Paul's epistle to the Laodiceans. Why was it less authoritative than his other epistles? It's mentioned in Colossians 4:16. Obviously, it was considered authoritative at the time it was written. Paul also wrote an additional epistle to the Ephesians and another to the Corinthians. When did his "apostolic authorship" come into question? Jude, too, wrote another epistle. What reason is there to believe it was so unreliable as to have been intentionally omitted from the today's canon? Or maybe it was just lost.

If we go to the Old Testament, there are even more books that are missing. These were written by "Samuel the seer," "Nathan the prophet," "Shemaiah the prophet" and others. 2 Chronicles mentions many of these by name. Why haven't we gotten rid of 2 Chronicles by now, since it references so many prophets whose work was apparently not the word of God after all?

How people can pretend that "the Bible" as we know it today (and I'm not even talking about the hundreds of different translations, but the books that constitute the canon) was somehow signed, sealed and delivered to us exactly as God wanted it to be is beyond me. Of course, this doesn't mean that we should toss the Bible out in its entirety. We should simply recognize it for what it is -- a recorded record of God's dealings with mankind in one part of the world. It never claims to be complete. As a matter of fact, it claims quite the opposite. In the end of John, we're told that Jesus Christ did so many things as part of His ministry, that had they even been recorded, they'd more than have filled all of the books in the world. That's quite a statement, and to me, it's saying that we should love the Bible for what it is, but not try to make it into something it isn't, or even claims to be.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
I think there would have to be another savior, wouldn't there ?
What cross will it die on ?
Why would there have to be another Savior?
Another book ? Really ?
Sure. Why not? If the book testified of the same Savior Matthew, Mark, Luke and John testified of, why couldn't there be another book. And even more importantly, why would God suddenly stop talking to His children after the death of His Only Begotten Son? What right do we have to tell Him, "Thanks, but no thanks. We're got our Bible. We don't need to hear any more from you"?
 

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
Because Jesus Christ has already come and been revealed. All the information pertaining to the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Christ and the mystery of God hidden throughout history has already been revealed through the gospel message of the scriptures. Everything necessary for salvation and eternal life, to know and love God and others is contained in the Bible, no more is needed.

According to Orthodox Christian perspective sure, and by the way- that was spoken like a good Catholic. As far as the rest of us are concerned, 'true' 'TM' Christianity could have been any number of the sects that got annihilated throughout time.
 

Aldrnari

Active Member
hey Aldrnari,
A quick look:
Persian beliefs of two separate conscious persons, physical and spiritual.
They follow the asha universal laws of creation, not with dust and water,
but with the fire of transition between the two states of conscientiousness
Created by Ahura Mazda according to laws of the book of Shahnameh, the book of kings.
There are many varieties that exist and more, much older than that.
Seems somewhat interesting, with the heavenly concepts and all.
But......not my cup of tea. My `spirit` is mineself and that's all there is,
when it leaves, it's gone.

Zoroastrianism has incredibly old roots- older than the old testament, as far as many historians (and my own research) is concerned. There's some things about Zoroastrianism that I absolutely love, so much so that I incorporate those aspects into my life even now.

As beautiful as it is, and as much sense as it makes (as a theistic religion), it's a bit too clean cut for me. Life is messy. Life is complicated. The good is intertwined with the bad, and consists of many shades of grey rather than just what is dark and light.

Still, I encourage anyone to look into it, there is great value. Read the Gathas! :D

Gathas
 

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
Here's another point for Christians to consider (and I would if I were a Christian) about rather the canon is final or not. Whenever the verse all scripture is inspired by God was written there wasn't a New Testament canon, or any clear idea of what Christian scripture was. The author only meant the Hebrew Bible for certain when they said 'all scripture'.
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
hey Aldrnari,
Gathas, got a copy of the shortcut, read later, looks long !
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Someone wanted a thread for this topic, so I decided to start one.
So here it is?

Why do some think the Bible is complete with 66 books, some have more than 66 books, some have less?
Who decides what constitutes the holy scriptures, and who decides whether or not there can be ongoing additions?
Also, why do some people think the Bible is the only holy scriptures and others think there may be different books?
The Bible is a catholic creation. They decide what goes into or out of their book.

I follow the messages of Christ (Jesus and Holy Spirit) where ever it appears. The non canon early Christian scriptures have a lot of spiritual knowledge that takes the Gospel to a paramount level (higher than the Bible does for me).
 
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