Was Albert Einstein an atheist

[beenherebeforeagain]

Yes, he was a deist. Yes, hes not on the side of the abrahamic religions, yes, hes not on the side of atheists. He is, per all his qoutes, a deist.

Yes, i get to slap myself on the back. I sure did show those atheists, didnt i? I feel so good.

Well bless your little heart, and don't your mama love you!

 

[Prometheus85]

Suit my needs? Im merely going on WHAT einstein said he believed and did not believe. Im taking an objective stance here. Mayby your trying to ignore those parts he clearly believed in a deistic God because you got some "need" to suit.

And you want context.

"I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws"

This is a deistic God still even with the context in view.

"Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a supernatural Being…Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe – a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive."

Still a deistic God.

“The harmony of natural law…reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.”

Still a deistic God despite the context.

"Your question is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question i can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things."

And bang, once again, a deistic portrait of God, still within context.

Also, the qoute you gave, key word again, he did not believe in a, PERSONAL God. Why do i got to keep repeating this?

And when you say Einstein would refuse labels, are you saying he dont actually have a belief or a view on the subject? Because thats absurd.

Wrong.

Einstein believed that "there is some kind of intelligence working its way through nature. But it is certainly not a conventional Christian or Judaic religious view."

 

[Jollybear]

Well bless your little heart, and don't your mama love you!

Lol, thats awesome.

 

[Jollybear]

Wrong.

Einstein believed that "there is some kind of intelligence working its way through nature. But it is certainly not a conventional Christian or Judaic religious view."

I didnt say einstein believed in a christian or judaic view of God, did i now?

So by saying im wrong, your misrepresenting what i said einstein said.

I must have said ad infinutum he did not believe in the biblical, personal God. And his own qoutes made it clear, which i eccepted.

 

[Prometheus85]

Yes, he was a deist. Yes, hes not on the side of the abrahamic religions, yes, hes not on the side of atheists. He is, per all his qoutes, a deist.

Yes, i get to slap myself on the back. I sure did show those atheists, didnt i? I feel so good.

Einstein was a deist?

Now what is very interesting here is that when he uses the words “Religion” “intelligence” “harmony” within the above quotes u clearly take outta context, he is actually talking about a deep sense of awe and mystery. This is not a superstitious assertion regarding a supernatural being, he makes that abundantly clear. It is this awe regarding the mystery and the assumption that we can find the answer that motivates and drives science to seek out the right answers to these mysteries.

 

[Prometheus85]

I didnt say einstein believed in a christian or judaic view of God, did i now?

So by saying im wrong, your misrepresenting what i said einstein said.

What the definition of deism?

A philosophical position that posits that God (or in some cases, gods) does not interfere directly with the world; conversely it can also be stated as a system of belief which posits God's existence as the cause of all things, and admits His perfection (and usually the existence of natural law and Providence) but rejects Divine revelation or direct intervention of God in the universe by miracles.

 

[Jollybear]

Einstein was a deist?

Now what is very interesting here is that when he uses the words “Religion” “intelligence” “harmony” within the above quotes u clearly take outta context, he is actually talking about a deep sense of awe and mystery. This is not a superstitious assertion regarding a supernatural being, he makes that abundantly clear. It is this awe regarding the mystery and the assumption that we can find the answer that motivates and drives science to seek out the right answers to these mysteries.

First when i qouted a small bits of his qoutes, you said i took it out of context, then when i qouted the fuller context, you still say i took him out of context.

I think what your trying to tell me is im twisting the meaning of einsteins words.

Ok, well, just how am i twisting his words?

I never said einstein esserted to believe in a supersticious, supernatural, personal kind of God. What dont you understand?

 

[Jollybear]

What the definition of deism?

A philosophical position that posits that God (or in some cases, gods) does not interfere directly with the world; conversely it can also be stated as a system of belief which posits God's existence as the cause of all things, and admits His perfection (and usually the existence of natural law and Providence) but rejects Divine revelation or direct intervention of God in the universe by miracles.

Thats correct and thats what einstein portreyed be believed about God.

 

[Prometheus85]

Thats correct and thats what einstein portreyed be believed about God.

But Albert Einstein doesn't believe in gods Existence as the cause of all things and admits his perfection. I believe he called that childish.

 

[Jollybear]

But Albert Einstein doesn't believe in gods Existence as the cause of all things and admits his perfection. I believe he called that childish.

Wow.

Ahhh, no, he clearly stated he did believe in Gods existence.

The type of God he called childish was the personal, biblical God, NOT the deistic God.

You can comprehend what im saying, yes, no?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Einstein believed that "there is some kind of intelligence working its way through nature.

What, precisely, does "some kind of intelligence working its way through nature" mean and where is it affirmed by Einstein?

 

[Jollybear]

Well bless your little heart, and don't your mama love you!

So, after all has been said and discussed, do you concede einstein is a deist?

 

[Prometheus85]

Wow.

Ahhh, no, he clearly stated he did believe in Gods existence.

The type of God he called childish was the personal, biblical God, NOT the deistic God.

You can comprehend what im saying, yes, no?

No I really can’t comprehend what u say because u talk in circles

 

[Prometheus85]

What, precisely, does "some kind of intelligence working its way through nature" mean and where is it affirmed by Einstein?

What, precisely, does "some kind of intelligence working its way through nature" mean and where is it affirmed by Einstein?

Why didn’t you post the whole quote?

Einstein believed that "there is some kind of intelligence working its way through nature. But it is certainly not a conventional Christian or Judaic religious view."

 

[Jollybear]

No I really can’t comprehend what u say because u talk in circles

I talk in circles? Im just talking objectively, based on everything einstein said.

But, its interesting you admit you cant comprehend me, despite me using a very simple approuch, with simple layman language.

I cant help you if you dont understand me.

But if you keep misrepresenting me, ill keep telling you that you are.

 

[Prometheus85]

I talk in circles? Im just talking objectively, based on everything einstein said.

But, its interesting you admit you cant comprehend me, despite me using a very simple approuch, with simple layman language.

I cant help you if you dont understand me.

But if you keep misrepresenting me, ill keep telling you that you are.

Worng. All u keep doing is qoute mining

 

[Prometheus85]

Wow.

Ahhh, no, he clearly stated he did believe in Gods existence.

The type of God he called childish was the personal, biblical God, NOT the deistic God.

You can comprehend what im saying, yes, no?

Christian Deism is a term applied both to Christians who incorporate deisticprinciples into their beliefs and to deistswho follow the moral teachings of Jesus without believing in his divinity. ... Consequently, they believe in a personal God, but they do not necessarily believe in a personalrelationship with God.

 

[Jollybear]

Worng. All u keep doing is qoute mining

No, im not qoute MINING, im qoute gathering in order to see objectively everything he said and believed on the subject and the picture we get is this.

Deism.

 

[Jollybear]

Christian Deism is a term applied both to Christians who incorporate deisticprinciples into their beliefs and to deistswho follow the moral teachings of Jesus without believing in his divinity. ... Consequently, they believe in a personal God, but they do not necessarily believe in a personalrelationship with God.

What are you talking about?

The biblical God is not a deistic God, not even remotely close. If you think that then your very ignorant.

 

[Prometheus85]

No, im not qoute MINING, im qoute gathering in order to see objectively everything he said and believed on the subject and the picture we get is this.

Deism.

What the hell is “quote gathering” did u pull that out your rectum?
Also the very definition of deism is to believe in a personal god. It just you don’t believe in a personal relationship with god. Smh