60% of the world

[Spiderman]

I read this article and was filled with gratitude for things I take for granted.

A new study in Environmental Science & Technology estimates six out of 10 people on planet Earth don’t have access to flush toilets or adequate water-related sanitation. In other words, 4.2 billion human beings desperately need a technology you use every day and couldn’t give less of a **** about.


...Aside from hookworms, do you know what happens when humans don’t have toilets? Dysentery happens. Typhoid happens. Cholera, hepatitis A, and diarrhea happen. And real diarrhea isn’t like when your “stomach” hurts and you get to call in sick and spend the day watching Game of Thrones. In Third World countries, real diarrhea kills more people than AIDS.
60 Percent of the World’s Population Still Don’t Have the Best Innovation in Human Health

And if these people shower it's cold. Cold showers are a *****!

Anyone else have an interesting story of how the majority of the world lives? I don't even know what I'm complaining about any more, living like a king.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

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I read this article and was filled with gratitude for things I take for granted.

A new study in Environmental Science & Technology estimates six out of 10 people on planet Earth don’t have access to flush toilets or adequate water-related sanitation. In other words, 4.2 billion human beings desperately need a technology you use every day and couldn’t give less of a **** about.


...Aside from hookworms, do you know what happens when humans don’t have toilets? Dysentery happens. Typhoid happens. Cholera, hepatitis A, and diarrhea happen. And real diarrhea isn’t like when your “stomach” hurts and you get to call in sick and spend the day watching Game of Thrones. In Third World countries, real diarrhea kills more people than AIDS.
60 Percent of the World’s Population Still Don’t Have the Best Innovation in Human Health

And if these people shower it's cold. Cold showers are a *****!

Anyone else have an interesting story of how the majority of the world lives? I don't even know what I'm complaining about any more, living like a king.

One of the best things I did in terms of education was actually after school.
I took off and lived in a very remote part of Papua New Guinea for a couple of years.

Don't get me wrong, this in no way compares to being brought up in the sort of conditions you are talking about, but I did get to see a lot of this first hand, and experience quite a bit.
For example, cold showers the whole time I was there, extremely limited food during hurricane season (rice and tinned meat for 3 months is not good for you, it turns out), earthquakes (which we don't get in Melbourne), limited power (all generator based), extremely poor water quality, etc.

Helps me daily to remember that as much as I have worked for everything I have, I was epically fortunate to be born in a country where that work actually let me get ahead. So many people are born in places where 'hard work' is not going to do much more than allow you to survive, much less prosper.

 

[David1967]

Kinda puts things in perspective, doesn't it?

 

[Rye_P]

Well, I do live in third world country.

- Yes, most of us don't have flush toilets.
- An adequate water-related sanitation is quite common, although it is rare in some area. Human expansion may be a proper cause for the second.
- Diarrhea is the second leading cause of death in children, blame the parents.

PS: Cold shower in reasonable degree is good for your skin.

 

[dfnj]

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I read this article and was filled with gratitude for things I take for granted.

A new study in Environmental Science & Technology estimates six out of 10 people on planet Earth don’t have access to flush toilets or adequate water-related sanitation. In other words, 4.2 billion human beings desperately need a technology you use every day and couldn’t give less of a **** about.


...Aside from hookworms, do you know what happens when humans don’t have toilets? Dysentery happens. Typhoid happens. Cholera, hepatitis A, and diarrhea happen. And real diarrhea isn’t like when your “stomach” hurts and you get to call in sick and spend the day watching Game of Thrones. In Third World countries, real diarrhea kills more people than AIDS.
60 Percent of the World’s Population Still Don’t Have the Best Innovation in Human Health

And if these people shower it's cold. Cold showers are a *****!

Anyone else have an interesting story of how the majority of the world lives? I don't even know what I'm complaining about any more, living like a king.

Here's a really good talk on poverty:

New insights on poverty

Things have been getting better but there's still a lot of work to do.

 

[sun rise]

I visited India a number of times since the early 1970's. I had no idea was poverty really was until I went there the first time and saw fields where people defecated and people living with almost nothing along the road.

In subsequent visits I saw things improving but they still have a long way to go.

 

[Skwim]

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I read this article and was filled with gratitude for things I take for granted.

Assuming the object of your gratefulness is god, but how about those with bad fortune? Shouldn't god be held accountable for their misery as well?

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[Kenny]

Assuming the object of your gratefulness is god, but how about those with bad fortune? Shouldn't god be held accountable for their misery as well?

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Not really. Man is responsible since God gave the earth to man to dress it and keep it.

 

[Kenny]

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I read this article and was filled with gratitude for things I take for granted.

A new study in Environmental Science & Technology estimates six out of 10 people on planet Earth don’t have access to flush toilets or adequate water-related sanitation. In other words, 4.2 billion human beings desperately need a technology you use every day and couldn’t give less of a **** about.


...Aside from hookworms, do you know what happens when humans don’t have toilets? Dysentery happens. Typhoid happens. Cholera, hepatitis A, and diarrhea happen. And real diarrhea isn’t like when your “stomach” hurts and you get to call in sick and spend the day watching Game of Thrones. In Third World countries, real diarrhea kills more people than AIDS.
60 Percent of the World’s Population Still Don’t Have the Best Innovation in Human Health

And if these people shower it's cold. Cold showers are a *****!

Anyone else have an interesting story of how the majority of the world lives? I don't even know what I'm complaining about any more, living like a king.

So good. This is the main reason we have "mission trips", especially for youth... and I don't mean to Acapulco. They come back transformed.

Building a concrete brick home (20x20) that has a small wood supplied kitchen, one room (that actually has a bed) and a living room is a mansion for the two elederly ladies who were living in a wood, stick, aluminim patched roof and mud with dirt floor makeshift home where the rain, wind and mosquitoes had free course to come in and go out..

 

[metis]

So good. This is the main reason we have "mission trips", especially for youth... and I don't mean to Acapulco. They come back transformed.

Building a concrete brick home (20x20) that has a small wood supplied kitchen, one room (that actually has a bed) and a living room is a mansion for the two elederly ladies who were living in a wood, stick, aluminim patched roof and mud with dirt floor makeshift home where the rain, wind and mosquitoes had free course to come in and go out..

And that's a great thing for people to experience.

My wife & I, when we travel overseas, always make it a point to go and see "where the real people live", if you know what we mean by that. It's all too easy just to visit the resorts and cities and just see the opulence while missing the rest. We even refuse to eat at westernized restaurants, preferring local fare.

Ya, but it is a bit more risky to do this as you well know, but it's so worth it.

 

[Spiderman]

Assuming the object of your gratefulness is god, but how about those with bad fortune? Shouldn't god be held accountable for their misery as well?

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Yes...God could relieve it easily, therefore, God is partially responsible

 

[Spiderman]

Not really. Man is responsible since God gave the earth to man to dress it and keep it.

By God leaving men blind, sick, and under the influence of the devil, God shares in the responsibility

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Not really. Man is responsible since God gave the earth to man to dress it and keep it.

I think the point was simply musing on the fact that God is only ever credited with the "good" - and that "good" specifically being "good for humans". What about the "bad" that also happens? That's never God?

And what about the things that are "good" for humans but "bad" for the other creations of God? For instance - automobiles. They have certainly helped us tremendously in getting around, being able to keep in touch with distant family, getting food and supplies across the country with relative ease. And I would bet you credit God with the inspiration, intelligence and ingenuity required for humans to produce something like the automobile. However - from the perspective of the animal kingdom, it is nothing but a bane. Road kill, transportation to slaughter houses, pollution, factories creating cars and car parts, and the resulting influx of human beings and residential areas taking up precious habitable land.

It's all rather problematic for this "good" view of God, I feel.

 

[David T]

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I read this article and was filled with gratitude for things I take for granted.

A new study in Environmental Science & Technology estimates six out of 10 people on planet Earth don’t have access to flush toilets or adequate water-related sanitation. In other words, 4.2 billion human beings desperately need a technology you use every day and couldn’t give less of a **** about.


...Aside from hookworms, do you know what happens when humans don’t have toilets? Dysentery happens. Typhoid happens. Cholera, hepatitis A, and diarrhea happen. And real diarrhea isn’t like when your “stomach” hurts and you get to call in sick and spend the day watching Game of Thrones. In Third World countries, real diarrhea kills more people than AIDS.
60 Percent of the World’s Population Still Don’t Have the Best Innovation in Human Health

And if these people shower it's cold. Cold showers are a *****!

Anyone else have an interesting story of how the majority of the world lives? I don't even know what I'm complaining about any more, living like a king.

Those 4.2bil. did not exist when I was born in 1956. 2.9 billion to 7.5 billion. The increase is actually 4.6 billion. So if we had a population of 2.9 billion every person would have a flush toilet. Science is the creator of the problem so I guess science will fix the problem with some scientific psylociben. Magikal mushrooms. 50-80,000,000 dead from WW2. that's a single year of population growth. 1,000 new births in the less than 5 minutes its taken to write this. We have stories from the ancient world of huge dramatic population drops giant drops. The stories are about population bottlenecks. Where the population drops really really low. NOAH'S ARK is about a population bottleneck event. It appears it may be fire this time instead of water is the only difference.

Below is A future satellite image of washington DC, Los Angeles, London, etc on fire oh the death oh the horror!!! Or, and I recommend the more organic approach less hot but whatever it gets fixed one way or another.

 

[Kenny]

And that's a great thing for people to experience.

My wife & I, when we travel overseas, always make it a point to go and see "where the real people live", if you know what we mean by that. It's all too easy just to visit the resorts and cities and just see the opulence while missing the rest. We even refuse to eat at westernized restaurants, preferring local fare.

Ya, but it is a bit more risky to do this as you well know, but it's so worth it.

I remember when our 12 year old granddaughter came back from Honduras. When she went into a Walmart and saw all the food, she broke down and cried because she knew of all the lack in Honduras.

The family now sponsors a child.

 

[Kenny]

By God leaving men blind, sick, and under the influence of the devil, God shares in the responsibility

I personally don't see it that way:

Matt 10: And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease....7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

In my view, Jesus gave the responsibility back to man as it was since the beginning.

 

[Kenny]

I think the point was simply musing on the fact that God is only ever credited with the "good" - and that "good" specifically being "good for humans". What about the "bad" that also happens? That's never God?

Can I give a qualified "yes"? If we define what is good and bad accordingly since one person can say something is good while someone else can say it is bad. As an example, if someone was killing people and a person shot him dead to stop him, we would have different people saying whether or not it was good or bad to shoot the guy.

But, in essence, I would say "yes" as stipulated by Jesus in John 10:10 "It is the thief that comes to steal, kill and destroy but I have come to give life and life in abundance.

Certainly he said good comes from God and bad comes from the thief and not God.

And what about the things that are "good" for humans but "bad" for the other creations of God? For instance - automobiles. They have certainly helped us tremendously in getting around, being able to keep in touch with distant family, getting food and supplies across the country with relative ease. And I would bet you credit God with the inspiration, intelligence and ingenuity required for humans to produce something like the automobile. However - from the perspective of the animal kingdom, it is nothing but a bane. Road kill, transportation to slaughter houses, pollution, factories creating cars and car parts, and the resulting influx of human beings and residential areas taking up precious habitable land.

It's all rather problematic for this "good" view of God, I feel.

Yes... inspiration comes from God but what man does with it comes from man.

The catalytic converter was created in 1930 (if I am not mistaken) but wasn't required until 1975... God's fault? Or man's fault!

When could we have started planting a tree when we logged an area? Man's fault or God's fault when He told man to dress the earth?

So, basically, I will still hold on to that position within context of Christian scripture and interpretation.

 

[Spiderman]

I personally don't see it that way:

Matt 10: And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease....7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

In my view, Jesus gave the responsibility back to man as it was since the beginning.

I've been asking God for that Grace and he refuses to grant it

 

[Skwim]

Not really. Man is responsible since God gave the earth to man to dress it and keep it.

I assume then that this

is part of god's notion of dressing and keeping the earth.

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[Kenny]

I've been asking God for that Grace and he refuses to grant it

I think we covered that one before. He has already given it. What we do with it is a differen point.