Jerusalem is an Arabic City?

[LuisDantas]

Nothing happens until your T.V. cuts to a live feed of a man descending from the clouds accompanied by Angels over the skies of Syria, yet you as a non believer in the Supernatural are wanting to know how a board member will act when and if it happens? :/

I could not care less about "when and if that happens". I am as certain that it won't happen as anyone could want.



All the same, Islaam doctrine exists and has plenty of believers now. That is real enough to deserve some attention and some worry.



Are you somehow attempting to deny that God-believers exist?

Or are you instead just trying to claim that their existence has no impact whasoever on non-believers such as me?

Either way, I think you are failing to realize that you set yourself on an impossible task.

 

[FearGod]

Because the '''believers''' do exist, and they do indeed surrender their judgement to far too great an extent for anyone's good.

Or, to be blunt, it is my business if people around me act irresponsibly.

No it isn't your business for what people want to believe, that's rudeness and a barbarian act.

 

[FearGod]

I could not care less about "when and if that happens". I am as certain that it won't happen as anyone could want.



All the same, Islaam doctrine exists and has plenty of believers now. That is real enough to deserve some attention and some worry.



Are you somehow attempting to deny that God-believers exist?

Or are you instead just trying to claim that their existence has no impact whasoever on non-believers such as me?

Either way, I think you are failing to realize that you set yourself on an impossible task.

That means it's of your own business is someone in Brazil believed in Islam, I wonder why
you care or just you want people to believe in your own belief?

 

[LuisDantas]

I would like to add the Muslim brotherhood part in the conflict, read it, it's straight from the horses mouth
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php

Maybe you could make the link a bit more specific?

 

[LuisDantas]

No it isn't your business for what people want to believe, that's rudeness and a barbarian act.

What you say is entirely wrong. Was it supposed to be funny? Because it failed on that respect as well.

 

[LuisDantas]

That means it's of your own business is someone in Brazil believed in Islam,

Brazil does not exist in a vacuum separated from other places. And there are Muslims here as well, although we have the good fortune not to have them in any positions of power.

I wonder why you care or just you want people to believe in your own belief?

I am very upfront with what I want regarding Islaam and why, don't you think?

I take it that somehow you don't believe me when I say that I want to defend myself from Islaam's unchecked monotheism. then?

 

[England my lionheart]

Maybe you could make the link a bit more specific?

OK, I see what you mean

 

[England my lionheart]

Al Banna sees that jihad for liberating Palestine and supporting its people is a must; he said in a message that he sent to the British ambassador to Cairo- published in Al-Nazeer on 26/12/1938 that " The Muslim Brothers will sacrifice their lives and their money for the sake of keeping every span of Palestine with its Arab and Islamic identity until doomsday". He said also in a message that he sent in may 1939 to the Egyptian Prime Minister, Mohamed Mahmoud:” the British and the Jews will understand only one language, the language of revolution, force and blood".

You can find this on the brotherhood website that I posted before

 

[FearGod]

What you say is entirely wrong. Was it supposed to be funny? Because it failed on that respect as well.

You may have an opinion, you may hate Islam and that's your case, but it isn't of your business
of what the others had chosen to believe.

 

[whitemulberries]

You may have an opinion, you may hate Islam and that's your case, but it isn't of your business
of what the others had chosen to believe.

If I may come in, I think you both have points but are coming at the issue from different angles. I suspect what LuisDantas is talking about is the broader social/political dimensions of a political Islamic revival that succeeds in sweeping across the world. From his/her perspective, that will have implications for how he/her can live his/her life, and indeed for a lot of other people, never mind their own beliefs about the best way to structure society/the best kind of government, in the same way that some kinds of non-Muslim government/policies might have implications for how we can/not practice our faith, e.g. policies on Islamic clothing, minarets, calls to prayer, to take some 'simple' single-issue examples. Personal beliefs do then have wider implications for those who don't share those beliefs.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

His avatar is the grand mufti of Jerusalem Al husseini, he along with the Muslim brotherhood instigated the conflict and during ww2 he moved to Berlin and Hitler gave him a Muslim SS hangar division,apparently he was a fan of the death camps such as aushwitz and hoped to build his own.

The Muslim brotherhood instigated World War 2? Sure, OK.

 

[England my lionheart]

The Muslim brotherhood instigated World War 2? Sure, OK.

No they instigated the violence against Israel along with husseini.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

No they instigated the violence against Israel along with husseini.

Israel wasn't a thing until after the Second World War, but cool story.

 

[FearGod]

If I may come in, I think you both have points but are coming at the issue from different angles. I suspect what LuisDantas is talking about is the broader social/political dimensions of a political Islamic revival that succeeds in sweeping across the world. From his/her perspective, that will have implications for how he/her can live his/her life, and indeed for a lot of other people, never mind their own beliefs about the best way to structure society/the best kind of government, in the same way that some kinds of non-Muslim government/policies might have implications for how we can/not practice our faith, e.g. policies on Islamic clothing, minarets, calls to prayer, to take some 'simple' single-issue examples. Personal beliefs do then have wider implications for those who don't share those beliefs.

99% of Turkey are Muslims, so his thoughts are entirely wrong.

 

[England my lionheart]

Israel wasn't a thing until after the Second World War, but cool story.

I think you'll find it was a "thing" before ww2, you could start with the Balfour declaration and go from there.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I think you'll find it was a "thing" before ww2, you could start with the Balfour declaration and go from there.

Nope. 1948. 3 years after 1945. Sorry to break it to you.

 

[LuisDantas]

You may have an opinion, you may hate Islam and that's your case, but it isn't of your business
of what the others had chosen to believe.

I hate Islaam's willingness to roll over people's dignity and integrity.

That makes it necessary to take a firm stance against it.

What it does not do is give you the license to badmouth me like that.

 

[LuisDantas]

If I may come in, I think you both have points but are coming at the issue from different angles. I suspect what LuisDantas is talking about is the broader social/political dimensions of a political Islamic revival that succeeds in sweeping across the world. From his/her perspective, that will have implications for how he/her can live his/her life, and indeed for a lot of other people, never mind their own beliefs about the best way to structure society/the best kind of government, in the same way that some kinds of non-Muslim government/policies might have implications for how we can/not practice our faith, e.g. policies on Islamic clothing, minarets, calls to prayer, to take some 'simple' single-issue examples. Personal beliefs do then have wider implications for those who don't share those beliefs.

While you have not fully understood my view, I commend your effort nonetheless.

 

[LuisDantas]

The Muslim brotherhood instigated World War 2? Sure, OK.

That is not what he said. And there is little room for doubt on the willingness of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (the first to exist, IIRC, although the position still exists and is still influential) to support Hitler. It has been plenty well docummented and leads to supreme efforts to present him as a "nationalist in support of the Palestinians" to this day.

 

[LuisDantas]

99% of Turkey are Muslims, so his thoughts are entirely wrong.

You have shown a serious difficulty in telling whether my thoughts - or much else, for that matter - is wrong, though.