SJW applies, but it's actually "Scottish Jejune Warrior".I could not have thought of a more perfect example!
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Republicans Hate College Now, Apparently
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Sapiens
Polymathematician
I just reread the thread and realized what it was that you exactly said.
Am I to understand that you are expressing an opinion based on some bias that you hold concerning, "the university (you) would have attended," had you, in point of fact, actually attended a university? Is that not a bit of an over-reach?
That is right. My best friend goes there though so I am very familiar with it.
Sapiens
Polymathematician
You've got to be kidding.
This is all based on your hearsay impressions obtained via your best friend?
Is that a problem? Have you read any articles lately? Watched the news? Watched anything on YouTube? Just through my experience of young people, most of them are hellbent liberals. Have you ever been on the Student Room forum? More liberals than RevLeft. University campuses are a breeding ground for liberal hogwash.
Sapiens
Polymathematician
Hearsay is not of much use in either science or law. Why is it featured so prominently in your world? Is that the best that you can do?
I read constantly and watch several news programs each day. I take almost nothing on Youtube seriously. Perhaps your problem is that you lead with unsupported and unsupportable opinions. The fact that you find something to be "liberal hogwash" is hardly a litmus test for rationality, accuracy or thoughtfulness.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Kind of a given, since RevLeft is for Leftist who are much further Left than Liberals, such as Socialists, Communists, and Anarchists.
How would you know if you've never been? Not all colleges are placed along coastal California and called something like UC Berkley, and they don't all act the same, either. You'd probably realize there are Conservatives in universities, that faculty is not homogeneous, and their is a variety of views present.
Based upon the above, the title would be more accurate if it were....Could someone explain this to me?
"As recently as two years ago, most Republicans and Republican leaners held a positive view of the role of colleges and universities. In September 2015, 54% of Republicans said colleges and universities had a positive impact on the way things were going in the country; 37% rated their impact negatively.
By 2016, Republicans’ ratings of colleges and universities were mixed (43% positive, 45% negative). Today, for the first time on a question asked since 2010, a majority (58%) of Republicans say colleges and universities are having a negative effect on the way things are going in the country, while 36% say they have a positive effect."
From - Sharp Partisan Divisions in Views of National Institutions
I just... I can't comprehend how anyone could possibly see colleges and universities as a negative thing. Halp! Someone explain this to me!
Republicans Hate Colleges Now, Apparently
By making it plural, it's about individual colleges, rather than attending college.
Schools have been in the news for all sorts of misbehavior, eg, speech suppression,
injustice towards students accused of misdeeds, encouraging feelings of victimhood,
ultra-sensitivity towards opposing ideas. These are things worth hating.
There will be conservatives, but young folk generally are idealistic and liberal. I know this from my interactions with most of them. I know all of 2 social conservatives my age. Two. Hell, I have trouble finding socially conservative adults. Perhaps I use the word 'liberal' where others use 'normal beliefs most modern people have', which are to me still socially liberal. In the U.K. most people are that way. If I can't find any in day to day life or at college I highly doubt uni will fare any better whatsoever, since most of the SJWS and crazy feminists are coming straight from that environment. It's kind of like, I don't have to go to Saudi Arabia to know I'll find lots of anti-gay views there.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
It's kind of like you are making a lot of excuses.
I'm not sure you realise what the UK is like. Honestly. It's not like the U.S. Most people here are liberal atheists. Unless, to me, someone is against abortion, gay marriage, etc. that person is a liberal. I have not met anyone, bar two people, against these things. Young people as a rule are pro-choice and pro-gay marriage. Stats show as much. I've spoken to uni students, haven't been there, but I know enough to know I don't want to go. I've spent my entire life around liberals and I'm not quite sure why I should want to jump into a swamp.
This is a good discussion on Quora and this person puts it thus:
https://www.quora.com/Are-UK-universities-super-liberal
(no editing from me)
"If you take one thing away from this answer, make it this.
Liberal/Conservative tribalism does not exist in the UK.
Now, onto the question… By your standards, yes, UK universities will seem ‘Liberal’, but in the UK, they are just ‘normal’.
You see, issues like abortion rights or marriage equality are settled issues in the UK, there is no mainstream opposition to them."
"A popular vote at my university just this week decided that gender neutral toilets would be installed in every building on campus. We had the Pride flag flying over campus for LGBT History Month in February, and the history department held a roundtable on the importance of gender/sexuality/race representation in history. There were events for Black History Month, too, but that was in October so I've mostly forgotten what was on offer. One of my lecturers is openly transgender and non-binary and it's no big deal. When we signed up for the campus GP, we were given free condoms and told where to go to get free contraception and sexual health advice if needed, including advice around unexpected pregnancy."
"These are, with a few exceptions, non-issues in the UK. There's no arguments about contraception (completely free on the NHS), or whether trans people deserve human rights, or (with the exception of Ireland) any arguments against abortion. If a British party ran on the manifesto of limiting abortion and removing protections for LGBT people, they'd have most likely lost their chance of getting into power for the next half a century. Everything I listed above is completely normal and not a big deal at all. My experiences with some Americans here on Quora suggest that this wouldn't be the case on the other side of the pond."
https://www.quora.com/Are-UK-universities-super-liberal
(no editing from me)
"If you take one thing away from this answer, make it this.
Liberal/Conservative tribalism does not exist in the UK.
Now, onto the question… By your standards, yes, UK universities will seem ‘Liberal’, but in the UK, they are just ‘normal’.
You see, issues like abortion rights or marriage equality are settled issues in the UK, there is no mainstream opposition to them."
"A popular vote at my university just this week decided that gender neutral toilets would be installed in every building on campus. We had the Pride flag flying over campus for LGBT History Month in February, and the history department held a roundtable on the importance of gender/sexuality/race representation in history. There were events for Black History Month, too, but that was in October so I've mostly forgotten what was on offer. One of my lecturers is openly transgender and non-binary and it's no big deal. When we signed up for the campus GP, we were given free condoms and told where to go to get free contraception and sexual health advice if needed, including advice around unexpected pregnancy."
"These are, with a few exceptions, non-issues in the UK. There's no arguments about contraception (completely free on the NHS), or whether trans people deserve human rights, or (with the exception of Ireland) any arguments against abortion. If a British party ran on the manifesto of limiting abortion and removing protections for LGBT people, they'd have most likely lost their chance of getting into power for the next half a century. Everything I listed above is completely normal and not a big deal at all. My experiences with some Americans here on Quora suggest that this wouldn't be the case on the other side of the pond."
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
It's not that, it's that you seem to make excuses for everything, always expecting the worst, and not looking for anything good, and would rather just pass things by than at least check them out.
I have Asperger's, I'm trans, non-theist, and I'm a Marxist. If I can find people to associate with and make friends with and find fun things to do and people to agree with in middle of "Heart Land" Conservative America, rural Indiana, the state gave Mike Pence to Trump (the guy who signed an "RFRA" anti-LBGT bill you would have liked), I'm sure you'll be just fine. And I am very willing to bet you wouldn't be alone at uni. You may not be as numerous (I'm pro-drugs, pro-guns, and definitely not a friend of religion so I was also in this "outnumbered" crowd), but it's these excuses that have you holding back from experiencing it yourself. And, in all reality, sometimes you'll find something that doesn't appeal to you much will actually be to your liking. You're a member of this forum, so debate probably won't be too much out of your field at uni, and if anything you may get at least some respect for standing up for your views and beliefs in an environment where nearly everybody else is the opposite.
Could someone explain this to me?
"As recently as two years ago, most Republicans and Republican leaners held a positive view of the role of colleges and universities. In September 2015, 54% of Republicans said colleges and universities had a positive impact on the way things were going in the country; 37% rated their impact negatively.
By 2016, Republicans’ ratings of colleges and universities were mixed (43% positive, 45% negative). Today, for the first time on a question asked since 2010, a majority (58%) of Republicans say colleges and universities are having a negative effect on the way things are going in the country, while 36% say they have a positive effect."
From - Sharp Partisan Divisions in Views of National Institutions
I just... I can't comprehend how anyone could possibly see colleges and universities as a negative thing. Halp! Someone explain this to me!
In some ways it is about voter recognition and the connection with Christian Nationalism You're Wrong If You Think Universities Attack Religion - World Religion News
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Universities all over the world attract the most intelligent people from each generation.
It is cerainly true that intelligent and well educated people tend to hold views that are considered to be
Socially inclusive, and broadly based on social values of equality cooperation and fairness. Right wing views tend more to selfish and individualistic mind sets.
It seems that this is a universal truth.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Universities don't teach, like in a school.
They offer individual learning opportunities and resources. They expose students to knowledge.
It is up to them to take advantage of it. Students are not force fed anything.
I'm sure lecturing is a form of teaching.
This is rot. I am on the right and I am the most communistic person I know. We value things like honesty, honour and fidelity. We are not the monsters usually portrayed. We want the best for everyone, like most people.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Not really...
Teaching implies feeding information that you must learn.
Most lectures are optional, and are passive in the way a book or other resource is passive.
Learning on the other hand has to be a positive thing. And requires self motivation.
Some universities make attending a certain number of lectures each year, obliigitory.
Others make them all optional as for instance Oxford and Cambridge.
However tutorials with your supervisor are compulsory.