spiritually or physically?and who and where is the fruit of this going?
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spiritually or physically?and who and where is the fruit of this going?
Yes, Christians are excited about when that comes about.I have something better you might prefer:
Isaiah 65:17-25
For, lo, I am creating new heavens, and a new earth, And the former things are not remembered, Nor do they ascend on the heart.
Disagree completely.Everyone can have enough. Capitalism, which demands that we incur debt, is not efficient for that purpose.
That has to do with sin not with business. But I have forgiven financial debt.The command is that we forgive debtors. If you can imagine that, you would not:
I've done that... you don't get any spiritual reward but it doesn't say you can't lend. Just don't forget those who need money but can't pay back. You can do both... because if you have more, you can help more.Luke 6:34
Lend to those of whom you "don't" hope to receive back.
What grace have you? For also the sinful lend to sinners -- that they may receive again as much.
Believe in that too!Instead:
Luke 6:35
Love your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again, and your reward will be great, and you shall be sons of the Highest, because He is kind unto the ungracious and evil.
All the stuff about "worry" speaks to motivation for working.
But in any case, it did talk about working:
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faith without works is d-o-a.spiritually or physically?
You get food and lodging from those you preach to (Matthew 10). You don't need to worry about the situation where nobody works, because very few people will actually accept the message you and the other Christians are preaching (Luke 13:23-25).OK... let's all stop working and just sit and believe God... Do we feed ourselves? Or does someone do that for us? OOPS!
Yes: what Jesus demanded of his followers is extreme and could be seen as crazy. This doesn't mean he didn't ask it, though.That would make them work...
Sorry, but your post is going so far out there that it has become crazy.
Didn't bother with the rest because that is what you just advocated.
One expression of this is TOLM.org which we support. You get the poorest of the poor, feed them, clothe them and take care of their medical/dental needs (physical), give them an education and training (mind), and teach them the word of God (spiritual) and it would break the poverty cycle their generations had experienced and the waves of blessings would extend out from them.faith without works is d-o-a.
man doesn't live by the word of God alone. feeding the mind alone isn't going to be practical for a starving body.
Jesus fed the masses both spiritual and physical food.
so again, what is the fruit of a capitalist heart? how does it nourish the poor?
Like I said... you are so far out there that you have become irrelevant.You get food and lodging from those you preach to (Matthew 10). You don't need to worry about the situation where nobody works, because very few people will actually accept the message you and the other Christians are preaching (Luke 13:23-25).
On the off chance you're turned away and go hungry, rejoice because you're earning reward in Heaven (Matthew 5:11-12). If you die of hunger, so be it: was your Earthly life that vital to you anyway?
Yes: what Jesus demanded of his followers is extreme and could be seen as crazy. This doesn't mean he didn't ask it, though.
I'm just telling you what the Gospels say.Like I said... you are so far out there that you have become irrelevant.
No, you are interpreting it into what you want it to say.I'm just telling you what the Gospels say.
Exactly what part of what I'm saying do you think goes against Christian belief or the Bible? Please be specific.
You don't need to worry about the situation where nobody works, because very few people will actually accept the message you and the other Christians are preaching
I said "please be specific." Exactly what part of what I'm saying do you think goes against Christian belief or the Bible? Cite actual verses.No, you are interpreting it into what you want it to say.
You don't know the first thing about what you are talking about and personal opinions don't count as part of the message
hmmm... I think I was quite specific as I quoted the irrelevant statement. It was your personal opinions that have no scriptural support.I said "please be specific." Exactly what part of what I'm saying do you think goes against Christian belief or the Bible? Cite actual verses.
Yes, Christians are excited about when that comes about.
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Disagree completely.
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That has to do with sin not with business. But I have forgiven financial debt.
I've done that... you don't get any spiritual reward but it doesn't say you can't lend. Just don't forget those who need money but can't pay back. You can do both... because if you have more, you can help more.
Believe in that too!
Interesting... I don't see any difference.OK. That's interesting.
Matthew 5:38-48
We're seeing two different religions apparently. These are fundamental ideas.
Updated that previous post.Interesting... I don't see any difference.
the first scripture speaks about wealth en lieu of love. the second speaks about the poor vs a thiefs indifference to the money bag that was for the poor.
i'll cut to the chase. what is the goal of capitalism?
capitalism is nothing more than belief system based on self vs others as self. where then is the focus of self?You still didn't answer the question I've been challenging you with: What exactly do those verses have to do with capitalism?
If capitalism, by your own definition, is just private ownership of wealth, then it inherently has nothing to do with lacking love or indifference to the poor.
capitalism is nothing more than belief system based on self vs others as self. where then is the focus of self?
is it self wants wealth, things? or self has an idea that would help millions, maybe billions but self needs money, or services, to realize that dream?
please allow me to clarify, there are two and ,only two, types of people on this planet. those who serve all as one, and those who serve self. we all fall within this spectrum. self-preservation always takes precedence over self-adulation. there is a middle ground and a healthier state of being.
empathy is a learned behavior.
no man is an island unto himself.
I cited the verses that support my position. The interpretations I used are - IMO - based on a straightforward reading of the text. I'd like you to give me your interpretation for these verses and explain why you think that interpretation is better than the one I gave.hmmm... I think I was quite specific as I quoted the irrelevant statement. It was your personal opinions that have no scriptural support.