Was Jesus Tempted by Lust

[Patti]

Saint Frankenstien, what makes you think that middle eastern men showing physical affection for each other are not homosexual? Some cultures offer a fair degree of acceptance of homosexuality.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Saint Frankenstien, what makes you think that middle eastern men showing physical affection for each other are not homosexual? Some cultures offer a fair degree of acceptance of homosexuality.

I'm saying that different cultures have different standards for platonic affection. The Middle East is certainly not accepting of homosexuality (except for parts of Israel). It's just an etiquette thing for male friends to hold hands together and such. Holding hands is not sexual. Neither is putting your head on someone's chest.

 

[Patti]

Well, I'll consider this. Meantime, I looked up the greek for "loved very much" and the greek is "agapuose poly" not "agape". I think holding hands is normally indicating dating when done by adults. Sort of a possesive gesture. I have never lived in the Middle East, however, I do think some behaviors cross cultural barriers. Men holding hands is the same as a man and woman holding hands--I'm going to assume it's a very special friendship.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Was Jesus ever tempted by lust?

Hard to tell. He sure did an enjoy a good rub down with oil, but was John's love requited in the same way? Lord only knows.

I know it says Jesus loved John, but let's be real: promises were made by two men holding each others' balls, which might explain why Jesus frowns on making promises, LOL.

Sin is simply a distortion of the natural and or divine order. Sexual desire is a part of the natural order (even human beings without concupiscence would experience it) but not beyond its natural ordering which is in marriage and procreation.

Why aren't men derided for using prostitution services while women are in the bible? There was an entire story devoted to a woman having to act like a hooker to get what the men were supposed to be doing for her in the first place.

Wanna guess who they wanted to stone to death when she got knocked up?

The desire to get married and experience sexual intimacy is a good and natural thing.

Then why is celibacy honored (usually, though, in the same breath as demeaning virgins for not getting laid)?

Jesus' anger at the moneychangers in the temple was proper.

How so? He wasn't punching Nazis. He was assaulting people who weren't doing anything. If He were a mature adult, why not protest verbally? Why not complain to the Romans? Sure, they didn't run the Temple (overtly), but with proper persuasion, they could be convinced to step into it.

The Bible says that He was tempted in all ways just as we are yet still did not sin.

Dishonoring parents
Theft/vandalism
Assault
Racial prejudice
Hypocrisy
Breaking the Sabbath
Blasphemy (depending on POV)

People in Jesus' time ate reclining on their sides, not sitting on tables. So the text makes perfect sense.

Pretending your messiah is the lounge chair makes less sense.

Both basic decency and common sense would tell you that this icon isn't a depiction of homosexuality.

I assume Judas is kissing Jesus? Why is a kiss with a male, such an intimate thing, the red flag signal for the Romans?

Skwim's reading is nothing but a hamfisted attempt to be offensive, nothing more.

If Jesus were gay, would you have the cajones to tell Jesus he's being offensive to you?

If Jesus had had sexual relations with anyone, the ransom would have become void.

I thought sex was a divine mandate.

For an example: When Satan said to Jesus "turn the stone into bread", in that he was hungered it is a temptation. However his response to the temptation was "it is written" and then followed what was written.

And Jesus successfully never used magic to poof up food ever ag ... wait ...

Yes, each of us have areas that we can resist. Out of curiosity... did Buddha say he had the capacity to turn rocks into bread?

And besides, I thought man shouldn't live on bread alone?

Then there is John 8:8-9 "He who is without sin cast the first stone." Jesus did not cast a stone.

I think it's considered that Jesus is forgiving the woman, but I take it as "she wouldn't be a whore if you didn't sleep with her" kind of message. He's blaming the men for hypocrisy. She was the town bicycle and everyone in that mob must've had a ride.

Yes, Jesus was tempted in every way just as we are. More so even, because the devil offered Him everything under the sun.

And Jesus never altered the rules of nature to benefit himself ever ag ... wait.

And Jesus never said he'd basically rule the worl ... wait ...

Everything strikes you people who think in the flesh as sexual.

If Jesus were blatantly having sex in the bible, you people would claim it's a metaphor about Jesus and the church, like you do with Solomon's porn poem.

 

[DavidFirth]

"And Jesus never altered the rules of nature to benefit himself ever ag ... wait.

And Jesus never said he'd basically rule the worl ... wait ..."

He never worshipped Satan and He did go to the cross for your benefit, certainly not for His own.

 

[blü 2]

23One of his disciples—the one whom Jesus loved—was reclining next to him;

John 19:26
26When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing beside her, he said to his mother, “Woman, here is your son.”

John 21:7
7The follower Jesus loved very much said to Peter, “That man is the Lord!” When Peter heard him say it was the Lord, he wrapped his coat around himself (for he was naked). Then he jumped into the water.

John 21:20
20 Peter turned and saw the follower Jesus loved very much walking behind them. (This was the follower who had leaned against Jesus at the supper and said, “Lord, who is it that will hand you over?”).

Bearing in mind that the gospel of John was written about 70 years after the traditional date for the crucifixion, another possibility is that they tell you more about the author of John than about an historical Jesus.

But the tales are decidedly odd, as you say.

 

[blü 2]

"And Jesus never altered the rules of nature to benefit himself ever ag ... wait.

And Jesus never said he'd basically rule the worl ... wait ..."

He never worshipped Satan and He did go to the cross for your benefit, certainly not for His own.

Why would Jesus even think of worshiping Satan?

His dad created everything so his dad created Satan.

 

[idav]

"And Jesus never altered the rules of nature to benefit himself ever ag ... wait.

And Jesus never said he'd basically rule the worl ... wait ..."

He never worshipped Satan and He did go to the cross for your benefit, certainly not for His own.

Do you have any commentary concerning the OP?

 

[idav]

Hard to tell. He sure did an enjoy a good rub down with oil, but was John's love requited in the same way? Lord only knows.

I know it says Jesus loved John, but let's be real: promises were made by two men holding each others' balls, which might explain why Jesus frowns on making promises, LOL.

I'd forgotten about all the foot rubs and stuff, it didn't ever really clock as anything but cone to think about it, guys don't typically give each other foot rubs and such but it's our culture.

I wouldn't be quick to think that John putting his head on Jesus' chest is homoerotic since that's a different time and culture. In other cultures, it was more acceptable for males to show more physical affection for each other without being homoerotic. That's still true to an extent in the Middle East. Our culture is much more uppity and restrictive about those things (which I hate).

But the naked guy is interesting and I'd like to hear an explanation for that. He's never spoken of.

It is a fair point which I addressed with @blü 2 though if we were to assume that's their culture, that could make for some tempting scenarios cause Jesus would be putting himself out there.

Lastly, are there verses in the New Testement from Roman's to Revelation that also support this scriptural support of the LBGTQ community?

I am starting to wonder about this "one love" thing Jesus had with one of his male disciples.

 

[David1967]

Why would Jesus even think of worshiping Satan?

His dad created everything so his dad created Satan.

It was part of his being tempted by Satan in the wilderness. Satan offered Him all the kingdoms of the world if He would fall down and worship him. Not that He even considered doing so.

 

[blü 2]

It was part of his being tempted by Satan in the wilderness. Satan offered Him all the kingdoms of the world if He would fall down and worship him. Not that He even considered doing so.

If Jesus wanted all the kingdoms of the world, he just had to ask his dad. He wouldn't bother to truck with some underling his dad had created.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, I'll consider this. Meantime, I looked up the greek for "loved very much" and the greek is "agapuose poly" not "agape". I think holding hands is normally indicating dating when done by adults. Sort of a possesive gesture. I have never lived in the Middle East, however, I do think some behaviors cross cultural barriers. Men holding hands is the same as a man and woman holding hands--I'm going to assume it's a very special friendship.

The Basics; Why Arab Men Hold Hands

 

[DavidFirth]

Why would Jesus even think of worshiping Satan?

His dad created everything so his dad created Satan.

Best stick to your Darwinism.

 

[idav]

BTW, one problem that I had with the OP is that I can't remember what "lust" is?

Lust would be a very strong sexual desire, lest we forget.

From what I understand it is completely natural so one might wonder if Jesus had such a natural desire.

 

[idav]

The Basics; Why Arab Men Hold Hands

I would not doubt if 2000 years ago was even more open, which would explain a lot more about why Paul seemed to struggle with homophobia.

But St. Paul was concerned with homosexuality only because in Greco-Roman culture it represented a secular sensuality that was contrary to his Jewish-Christian spiritual idealism.

Op-Classic, 1992: Homophobia and the Bible

 

[Kenny]

Why would Jesus even think of worshiping Satan?

His dad created everything so his dad created Satan.

Because Jesus came for the world which was in Satan's hand which was Satan's bait if Jesus would worship him.

 

[shmogie]

Only for that to work you have to ignore that the love being described is agape.

CORRECT ! In Greek today, and in the Greek of the NT their are different words for different types of love that in English we call all love. Agape is brotherly love, their is a Greek word for familial love, there is a Greek word for romantic or sexual love, and others. Those ignorant of the original Greek of the Bible make posts of this uninformed and inaccurate nature

 

[blü 2]

Best stick to your Darwinism.

So his dad didn't create Satan, you say?

You're a polytheist?

Interesting.

 

[Kenny]

If Jesus wanted all the kingdoms of the world, he just had to ask his dad. He wouldn't bother to truck with some underling his dad had created.

I don't think that was the narrative.

 

[blü 2]

Because Jesus came for the world which was in Satan's hand which was Satan's bait if Jesus would worship him.

But it could only be in Satan's hand because Yahweh wanted it that way. He's omniscient, so he created Satan with full knowledge of the consequences, after all.