How are these Great Beings explained?

[Dawnofhope]

Not just the Baha'i'. The other day I looked up some of Effendi's thoughts to support myself in a debate with another Baha'i'. Amazing how two people can get two entirely differing meanings from the same words.

Are you in a university where you have to teach part time, or are there interns with you in your field? If so, then you would know how absolutely clear you have to be so you don't deliver mixed messages.

I often teach medical students so appreciate what you are saying.

This is an informal setting and to my knowledge all the people who have contributed to this thread have never met, so there is no plan that the Baha'is have collaborated and hatched. It has all evolved organically. I think we just need to be patient, kind and respectful with each other. Everyone is free to come and go as they please.

 

[Vinayaka]

I often teach medical students so appreciate what you are saying.

This is an informal setting and to my knowledge all the people who have contributed to this thread have never met, so there is no plan that the Baha'is have collaborated and hatched. It has all evolved organically. I think we just need to be patient, kind and respectful with each other. Everyone is free to come and go as they please.

Two of the Baha'i' just stated the other day they had met in person. (LH, and Tony)

 

[Dawnofhope]

It's important, though. I strongly encourage you to look into it.

I used to be a Christian before I became a Baha'i. I have considered this question quite a lot of the years.

If Christ rose from the dead He is the Son of God.

We need to establish whether or not He rose from the dead. If He did then the next step is to understand what that means in light of everything else we know about Jesus.

If He did not He was just another man.

Not necessarily. He could still be the 'Son of God' for example and not literally have risen from the dead.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Two of the Baha'i' just stated the other day they had met in person. (LH, and Tony)

OK. That's not surprising as they both live in Australia. I was in Australia 2 weeks ago on the outskirts of Sydney with a group of Baha'is in Yerinbool but don't think either would have been present.

 

[DavidFirth]

I used to be a Christian before I became a Baha'i. I have considered this question quite a lot of the years.



We need to establish whether or not He rose from the dead. If He did then the next step is to understand what that means in light of everything else we know about Jesus.



Not necessarily. He could still be the 'Son of God' for example and not literally have risen from the dead.

You have allowed ideas from outside God's word to gain a foothold on you. May God have mercy on you.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

You know the problem. Christians do use the Bible to tell you how and when Jesus will come back. Baha'is tell them he already came back and show their Bible references. Like I said 2000 posts ago or so, I went to the Jews and asked them. They gave very good reason why Baha'u'llah and Jesus are not their Messiah... but again, it is their interpretation of their Scriptures... not a Christian or Baha'i interpretation.

We still have the writings in front of us, we can all read discuss and conclude what they are saying, considering we also now have science helping our understanding.

Jesus said that anyone who lusts has already committed adultery in his/her heart. I'm sure the Baha'i Faith has rules that try to keep people's thoughts pure. Could you post some of them?

The Baha'i Writings also have quotes such as this.

Baha'u'llah says He came to create a race of men that could past the most beautiful of women on the street and not have one impure thought as a result. I will post the quote, or someone else may. I am not able to do it at this time.

How about one who seekethed it, and found the Baha'i Faith, and then rejected it?

This is life, as stated to be a true seeker with a firm foundation is the requirement of all the Holy Books. Christ describes it as someone who plants a seed in the right place.

We can reject our Faith in many ways. It may come as no surprise to many Baha'is that in some way each day we neglect what we have been instructed to do. There are many levels of rejection.

I feel this quote helps us in this regard " ..the good deeds of the righteous are the sins if ther near ones..."

If Christ didn't rise from the dead, what happened to His remains? To think His disciples over powered the Roman guards, rolled the stone away and took the body isn't plausible. The Roman soldiers would have made mincemeat of them.

I do not think they will be discovered but the general Location of the remains of Christ have been given by Abdul'baha and Shoghi Effendi.

It is of interest that the Muslims also did not know where the remains of yhe Bab went to as well. The story of the Martydom of Christ and the Bab are mirrored in corresponding events.

It's important, though. I strongly encourage you to look into it.

If Christ rose from the dead He is the Son of God.
If He did not He was just another man.

I spent 34 years of my Baha'i life looking at this subject.

Jesus the Christ, Son of God, the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last will always be who He claimed to be. We can not change that Truth.

We can consider it in different ways, that are also scriptural, which give a larger Frame of Reference to consider.

Regards to all Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

You have allowed ideas from outside God's word to gain a foothold on you. May God have mercy on you.

Explain why it is not based on scripture, when scripture is offered as proof.

Regards Tony

 

[DavidFirth]

We still have the writings in front of us, we can all read discuss and conclude what they are saying, considering we also now have science helping our understanding.



The Baha'i Writings also have quotes such as this.

Baha'u'llah says He came to create a race of men that could past the most beautiful of women on the street and not have one impure thought as a result. I will post the quote, or someone else may. I am not able to do it at this time.



This is life, as stated to be a true seeker with a firm foundation is the requirement of all the Holy Books. Christ describes it as someone who plants a seed in the right place.

We can reject our Faith in many ways. It may come as no surprise to many Baha'is that in some way each day we neglect what we have been instructed to do. There are many levels of rejection.

I feel this quote helps us in this regard " ..the good deeds of the righteous are the sins if ther near ones..."



I do not think they will be discovered but the general Location of the remains of Christ have been given by Abdul'baha and Shoghi Effendi.

It is of interest that the Muslims also did not know where the remains of yhe Bab went to as well. The story of the Martydom of Christ and the Bab are mirrored in corresponding events.



I spent 34 years of my Baha'i life looking at this subject.

Jesus the Christ, Son of God, the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last will always be who He claimed to be. We can nit change that Truth.

We can consider it on different ways that are also scriptural which give a larger Frame of Reference to consider.

Regards to all Tony

"I do not think they will be discovered but the general Location of the remains of Christ have been given by Abdul'baha and Shoghi Effendi."

General location? Oh, you mean a wild guess. Well, if archaeologists were to take this claim seriously they would have dug up half of Israel by now. Obviously, nobody takes them seriously. I wonder why? Wait a minute, no I don't.

 

[DavidFirth]

Explain why it is not based on scripture, when scripture is offered as proof.

Regards Tony

Because the scriptures used have been twisted around to mean something other than what they say. People often do this, unfortunately.

When you have a rather weird interpretation of a scripture it is on you to explain it, not me. I read what he said and dismissed it as nonsense.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Two of the Baha'i' just stated the other day they had met in person. (LH, and Tony)

It was great to meet a person that you have met on the Net. I have also met one other person who I had been talking to on the Net just a few weeks prior to meeting David. Kam was his name.

Both Kam and David were as nice as their posts

It happened that when I moved back to Australia I passed by the places they lived. I did drive 9000km from my parents place to where I now Live.

You are invited for a cup of tea if you are in Normanton FNQ Australia

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Because the scriptures used have been twisted around to mean something other than what they say. People often do this, unfortunately.

When you have a rather weird interpretation of a scripture it is on you to explain it, not me. I read what he said and dismissed it as nonsense.

Would science see body resurrection as weird?

Would it be more plauseable to Science if we were to consider the spiritual significance?

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Obviously, nobody takes them seriously. I wonder why? Wait a minute, no I don't.

Very few know what I just told you

Also consider it is not Important to a Baha'i that they are found. It will not alter our Love and Belief in Jesus, who is the Christ.

Regards Tony

 

[Dawnofhope]

You have allowed ideas from outside God's word to gain a foothold on you. May God have mercy on you.

The words of God that have hold on me are 'seek and ye shall find' and 'the truth shall set ye free'. God is the All-Merciful. When you follow God and seek HIs will, you need to prepared to go wherever God leads you.

 

[RoaringSilence]

guys i apologies for the last time to whoever might have felt harshness from me , its upto the ones who felt offended to hold a grudge or to forgive my behavior.bye all , and thanks for replying and all those likes n good stuffs. cheers bye. i hope i lose my addiction to this website.

 

[Vinayaka]

It was great to meet a person that you have met on the Net. I have also met one other person who I had been talking to on the Net just a few weeks prior to meeting David. Kam was his name.

Both Kam and David were as nice as their posts

It happened that when I moved back to Australia I passed by the places they lived. I did drive 9000km from my parents place to where I now Live.

You are invited for a cup of tea if you are in Normanton FNQ Australia

Regards Tony

I've met people also. but not from this forum (yet). One was a true surprise. The day before we met he confessed he wasn't female, but a gay man. I think he just felt I might not recognise him. We had a great time over coffee, and is one of the reasons I'm so compassionate about homosexuality being accepted as normal. A couple others were nice enough, although one was an evangelical preacher who walked out on me once he found out I was Hindu. So it can go either way I suppose.

 

[Vinayaka]

guys i apologies for the last time to whoever might have felt harshness from me , its upto the ones who felt offended to hold a grudge or to forgive my behavior.bye all , and thanks for replying and all those likes n good stuffs. cheers bye. i hope i lose my addiction to this website.

Haha. You won't leave. Nobody does.

 

[Dawnofhope]

guys i apologies for the last time to whoever might have felt harshness from me , its upto the ones who felt offended to hold a grudge or to forgive my behavior.bye all , and thanks for replying and all those likes n good stuffs. cheers bye. i hope i lose my addiction to this website.

Feel free to drop back in anytime

 

[Dawnofhope]

Because the scriptures used have been twisted around to mean something other than what they say. People often do this, unfortunately.

When you have a rather weird interpretation of a scripture it is on you to explain it, not me. I read what he said and dismissed it as nonsense.

That is how the Jews felt about Christ and His followers when He came.

 

[JPK]

This cite gnosticteachings.org explains how all of these Beings were Christified Masters and it tells of how to achieve final liberation like they did.

 

[loverofhumanity]

So Genesis is wrong? So the first questions is: Did Moses write Genesis? Second, why would someone change it? Third, why didn't Jesus correct it? Fourth, is Isaac the son of the "promise"?

No, Genesis is not wrong but Baha'u'llah has corrected a mistake in the recording and stated that it was Ishmael not Isaac that was offered up as a sacrifice.

Jesus's mission was only a few years so it's unlikely He had time to spend on these things. But He did refer to Moses and said that if they believed in Moses they would have accepted Him as Moses spoke of Him.