Contrary to Biblical History: Canaanites are alive and well

[sayak83]

Ancient DNA offers clues to the Canaanites’ fate

For the first time, scientists have deciphered the complete genetic instruction manuals of Canaanites. By comparing five Canaanite genomes with those of other ancient and modern populations, the researchers identified the Canaanites’ ancestors and discovered their descendants, modern Lebanese people.

Researchers reconstructed the genomes of the 3,700-year-old remains of five Canaanites unearthed in Sidon.

The researchers also determined that modern Lebanese people can attribute about 93 percent of their ancestry to the Canaanites. The other 7 percent comes from Eurasians who probably arrived in the Levant 3,700 to 2,200 years ago.


Comparisons of these genomes with those of other ancient Eurasian peoples indicate that Canaanite ancestry was split roughly 50-50 between the early farmers who settled the Levant and immigrants of Iranian descent who arrived later, between 6,600 and 3,550 years ago.


Just goes to show... don't trust what old books tell you.

 

[Tumah]

Contrary to Biblical History: Canaanites are alive and well

Where does it say that the Canaanites were wiped out in the Bible?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Where does it say that the Canaanites were wiped out in the Bible?

^ this

 

[james dixon]

Contrary to Biblical History: Canaanites are alive and well

That’s great; now tell us how the Jews are doing?

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[james dixon]

Where does it say that the Canaanites were wiped out in the Bible?

It doesn't -

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Deuteronomy 20:17 lists six or seven tribes to be exterminated, including the Canaanites, and when we back up to verse 16 and the commandment was to leave none alive.

 

[james dixon]

It does say this~~
25And you, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

26Thus says the Lord GOD; Remove the turban, and take off the crown: this shall not remain the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.

27I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he comes whose right it is; and I will give it to him.

28And you, son of man, prophesy and say, Thus says the Lord GOD concerning the Ammonites, and concerning their reproach; even say, The sword, the sword is drawn: for the slaughter it is polished, to consume because of the flashing:

29While they see false visions for you, while they divine a lie unto you, to bring you upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day has come, when their iniquity shall have an end.

30Shall I cause it to return into its sheath? I will judge you in the place where you were created, in the land of your nativity.

31And I will pour out my indignation upon you, I will blow against you in the fire of my wrath, and deliver you into the hand of brutal men, skilful to destroy.

32You shall be for fuel to the fire; your blood shall be in the midst of the land; you shall be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I just love it when secularists know the bible better than those who claim to worship it.

 

[james dixon]

Deuteronomy 20:17 lists six or seven tribes to be exterminated, including the Canaanites, and when we back up to verse 16 and the commandment was to leave none alive.

Actually when I went back to read the verse, this is what I found:

Deuteronomy 20:17King James Version (KJV)
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:

It does not say, "exterminated", it says "destroy". Still that is not the dilemma I am having now. What I want to know is who are "thou"-?

I am sure someone here can tell me; who are/were "thou"
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[Shadow Wolf]

It does not say, "exterminated", it says "destroy". Still that is not the dilemma I am having now. What I want to know is who are "thou"-?

Your rebuttal is nit-picking over semantics?

I am sure someone here can tell me; who are/were "thou"

Obviously none of the afore mentioned tribes, the Babylonians, Egyptians, or others.

 

[Mister Emu]

Deuteronomy 20:17 lists six or seven tribes to be exterminated, including the Canaanites, and when we back up to verse 16 and the commandment was to leave none alive.

Where does it say they fulfilled this order? It doesn't; for instance, Joshua, Biblically, enters into a covenant of peace with the Gibeonites and allows them to live.

 

[Glaurung]

I just love it when secularists know the bible better than those who claim to worship it.

Except that very same Bible states that the Canaanites continued to exist.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Except that very same Bible states that the Canaanites continued to exist.

And it also says that they don't. Apparently, when it was fabricated, nobody bothered with quality control, or Series Continuity.

Comic books do a better job...

 

[Glaurung]

And it also says that they don't. Apparently, when it was fabricated, nobody bothered with quality control, or Series Continuity.

I know you have some emotional investment in attacking the Bible at all costs, but you can do better than to cling to clickbait reporting. The Bible never says the Canaanites ceased to exist. It says the Canaanite presence in the land the Israelites were to take was mostly destroyed. It even goes on to say that some of the surviving Canaanites were put into forced labour. Your argument is to insist that the Bible says something it explicitly does not say.

The texts says that the Israelites were ordered to wipe the Canaanites out, not that the Canaanites actually were.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

What I find rather sad is that an interesting scientific finding seems to have been shared, not because of what might be learned, but because someone felt that it demeaned a biblical narrative that the person never took the time to study.

Still, I was surprised to find the Canaanites located in Lebanon, and l look forward to further work in this area.

 

[Tumah]

Deuteronomy 20:17 lists six or seven tribes to be exterminated, including the Canaanites, and when we back up to verse 16 and the commandment was to leave none alive.

Jewish commentaries explain that that's only on the way going to engage them in war. We have a standing prohibition to not marry them. This would only be possible if they were still alive.Also see Deut. 7:2,3. There wouldn't be a reason to prohibit marrying them if they were going to be wiped out anyway.

 

[Politesse]

It's clear enough to anyone who makes regular study of the Hebrew Scriptures that the Canaanites were never fully extinguished, you keep seeing them popping up throughout the histories. God may have intended them to be, but God's intentions for his land and people were forever foiled by their inability to follow his directions.

Even in the book of Joshua, where the genocide is both described and celebrated, even reveled in, there are many Canaanites who survive the slaughter: Rahab and her family ("and she lives among the Israelites to this day", the text concludes her tale, meaning her family line), and the entire city of Gibeon, which chose servitude over death (this tale also concludes with the tag "and so they do to this day"). You should not be so surprised of a genetic presence in the Levant, if so many people survived.

 

[Magus]

Herodotus only lists three peoples living in the Levant , Palestine, Phoenicia and Syria , it seems the 'Canaanites' in the Torah are rather different to the 'Phoenicians' mentioned by Greek histories,
so what Ethnic do the Jews belong too, are they Palestinians, Phoenicians or Syrians and it seems no 'Jew' as of yet is unable to answer.

If they are all Canaanite by ethnic, then does the Book of Joshua, depict a civil war or a tribal war, so why does the Bible depict 'Jews' or 'Hebrews' as foreigners settling in Canaan, where are they from.

The Elephantine documents, that depict 'Yehudi' have duel identities, they are Arameans , does that mean they are Syrians, although that could have being misinterpreted as 'Armenian' so
it seems the name 'Yehud' have a different meaning, most likely the Hebrew 'Yahad' meaning Colony , so the 'Hebrews' settling in Canaan, would appear to be colonists, hence 'Yahad' (Jews).

The Book of Esther, depicts 'Jews' along side the Kings of Persia, Esther apparent "Jewish name" was 'Hadassah' , but it's actually a Persian name, from Hutaosā (Atossa), so happen to be the name of the daughter of Cyrus and wife of Darius I and Esther married Xerxes? going against marrying outside of Zoroastrianism, therefore confirming 'Jews' (Colonists) where Zoroastrians, that set up colonies in Canaan and Elephantine.

'Hebrew' derives from 'Iberia' (Colchis, West Georgia), it seems, they came from that area.

520 BCE ( Historical Context)
King Darius I ( Sesostrius / King Shishak ) invades and loots the Temple of Solomon ( Sukhum ) and the northern tribes of Colchis and submit 100 girls and 100 boys every 5 years to the Persian Court , then are deported as Colonists into Syria-Palestine, driving out the Canaanites(Conquest of Joshua / Jeshua, the High Priest) and establishing the Persian temple state of Judea (which collected taxes for Persia) and another in Elephantine, Egypt.

Herodotus. 2.104
the Colchians and Egyptians and Ethiopians are the only nations that have from the first practised circumcision. The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine acknowledge that they learned the custom from the Egyptians, and the Syrians of the valleys of the Thermodon and the Parthenius, as well as their neighbors the Macrones, say that they learned it lately from the Colchians

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I know you have some emotional investment in attacking the Bible at all costs,

Nope. Just as long as nobody makes any LAWS that **I** have to follow based on it's racism, bigotry and hate?

I have no problem with it.

Wait....

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

The Bible never says the Canaanites ceased to exist.

Actually? It does-- unless you allow that the bible's god is NOT universal and all-powerful, but is JUST a small TRIBAL god, who's SOLE dominion was over the tribe of Israel, and NO ONE ELSE?

Then and ONLY then can your statement above, be accurate.

Do try to keep up.