Is God really THE god?

[EtuMalku]

f you're looking for it than how will you know it? If you continue to seek it out then you have not found it, and how could you know it?

I'm confused by your statement.

If you knew God like I knowGod, than you would know that unconditional love is based on the yin and yang which is the law of laws. The acme of cosmic statutes. And law by which everything is bound and connected. The Old Man is a loving individual but that is the protocol only half the time.

The better notion is that He is a fair individual who is not inclined towards benevolent nor malevolent. Every action is reconcilable and there is no forgivenesss, especially from Him. I know this all too well. I have been made to prereconcile myself to the cosmos for something that I cannot fathom anything being great enough to offset all of the unconditional love that I have suffered.

And exactly how is it that you know 'God'?

There is a mystical saying.....God can only reveal God to God.

It is actually quite logical when one considers another mystical saying......God is one, nothing separate from God can ever enter into God.

Where is the kingdom of God to be found?

What does this gobblety gook of words mean? So God can't reveal himself to anyone but himself? How does anyone know him then? How would you know this?

TRUTH... I have to say that truth is the greatest source of knowing which God and why the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob the only God.

If you look at the Jews today and throughout History you see the promise of God to Abraham a reality.
More descendants that you can count and through the Jews all nations of the earth have been blessed.
Every promise God made he kept. By obeying his words they were prosperous and this caused jealousy and fear amongst
nations that they might take over the countries where they were prosperous.

Speaking on a personal note I have to say that I believe in the ONE God who is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob because his promises are still shown to be true everywhere in
the world today. The only God who made himself known to his creation and remained there with them and all the world, ever since.

Truth? What truth? How do you know whatever this truth is?

It is about seeking to do the will of God. God isn't a thing to be found. It is a forever journey.
That might be why most people won't take it. To want it to end is not love.

How does never finding something prove its existence, that there is some backward thinking.

 

[savagewind]

How does never finding something prove its existence, that there is some backward thinking.

God finds us. God is life's shepherd. I trust in God to lead me. I can not see where I go and the outcome of what I do. GOD DOES.

 

[savagewind]

Psalms 23:1
John 10:11
Matthew 18:12-14

 

[savagewind]

I like to believe the sheep of God the shepherd are many. The sheep in a flock of many go with the other sheep. Why? God is leading all of us and there are many. How many sheep rest next to the shepherd and walk next to and eat next to?
All of them? Not possible! LOL

 

[RESOLUTION]

Truth? What truth? How do you know whatever this truth is?

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What it says, 'on the tin', it does as it says.
God in this case has shown to have done as he said he would.
The post did explain. Any arguments against or do you accept the evidence?

 

[David T]

"What is one's source of knowing God without any scripture or information that doesn't come from the Entity itself."

I was going to say nature, but the question has a reductive presupposition built into it Its therefore a leading question and not really a valid question. Its as if religions reductive statements on the topic god are somehow a valid definition, they most certainly are not. A writer expresses, a reader reductively defines..

 

[EtuMalku]

What it says, 'on the tin', it does as it says.
God in this case has shown to have done as he said he would.
The post did explain. Any arguments against or do you accept the evidence?

I must have missed this evidence . . . what evidence?

 

[soulsurvivor]

How can you know?

Lets say the bible (OT, NT or whatever depiction of Mono-God there is) is true. that indeed these are the words of the one we call God.
Everything we know about God is based on God itself.

Maybe God is not really THE god? rather on of other gods?
Maybe he is actually an evil God and only pretends to be good?

What is one's source of knowing God without any scripture or information that doesn't come from the Entity itself?

First of all, God can not possibly be the source of the OT once you note all the illogical, nonsense in it. If you still have not noticed the nonsense, you can look it up here: 12 Craziest, Most Awful Things God Did in the Old Testament

As for the NT, it written by humans (each book has a human author - Mark, Matthew, Luke, John, Paul etc) - so God is not the source of the NT either.

However, in the NT we have the words of Jesus (who does not claim to be God, just his Son) telling us about God, the Father. Nowhere does Jesus say that God, the Father is the only God.

So the question about believing the NT, is really whether you can trust the words of Jesus or not. I personally do trust the words of Jesus, but I don't think the Father that Jesus talks about is the ONLY God as Jesus never said such a thing. God, the Father that Jesus talks about in the NT is probably just the God of the Earth.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What does this gobblety gook of words mean? So God can't reveal himself to anyone but himself? How does anyone know him then? How would you know this?

Your question reveals that you do not have the prerequisite religious knowledge to understand. One would need to find out where you are at to begin to explain and so I ask this question, what is your understanding of the reality represented by the concept God?

 

[Bird123]

How can you know?

Lets say the bible (OT, NT or whatever depiction of Mono-God there is) is true. that indeed these are the words of the one we call God.
Everything we know about God is based on God itself.

Maybe God is not really THE god? rather on of other gods?
Maybe he is actually an evil God and only pretends to be good?

What is one's source of knowing God without any scripture or information that doesn't come from the Entity itself?

In this time based causal universe, the only way to truly know someone whether it is God or anyone is through their actions. Our actions speak not only to who we are but tells what we know and what we need to learn. Verbal communication isn't needed.

Our understanding of others is also based on ourselves. People see what they want to see often judging in favor of what they want things to be. Everybody wants to rule the world is an important factor.

Since there are multiple levels of intelligence in the universe, lack of understanding of another's actions can lead to the wrong conclusions thus leading one away from the real truth.

Yes, there are many curves in the road. On the other hand, as we grow in learning and intelligence, the picture will change. Our eyes will become open to that which we were blind to before. Our view, judgment and understanding of another can change dramatically through intelligence.

Perhaps, it's all a test of intelligence. Who can see? Who wants to see? Who needs to see? How far can one advance in growth, learning, and knowledge in a lifetime? As I look at the Earth and back through the past history, Brains tend to win in the end over the long haul. Perhaps, we should all be working harder at becoming smarter rather than concentrating so much energy on feeling good. With intelligence comes easier, the feeling good will always be waiting there after we arrive.

 

[EtuMalku]

Your question reveals that you do not have the prerequisite religious knowledge to understand. One would need to find out where you are at to begin to explain and so I ask this question, what is your understanding of the reality represented by the concept God?

Answering a question with a question? Typical Christian Apologetic technique, attack my supposed inability to understand God and confuse that with my actual understanding. I'll play along however . . .

what is your understanding of the reality represented by the concept God?

The reality is that there is nothing objectively real of this 'concept' that an Abrahamic god exists.

. . . and my question?

God can only reveal God to God.

1. So God can't reveal himself to anyone but himself?
2. How does anyone know him then?
3. How would you know this?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Answering a question with a question? Typical Christian Apologetic technique, attack my supposed inability to understand God and confuse that with my actual understanding. I'll play along however . . .

The reality is that there is nothing objectively real of this 'concept' that an Abrahamic god exists.

. . . and my question?

1. So God can't reveal himself to anyone but himself?
2. How does anyone know him then?
3. How would you know this?

Mysticism is not confined to Christianity, it is not sectarian.

There is one eternal God, and the kingdom of god is within, not outside. If you believe God is outside of you, the that makes two, God and you, but God is said to be omnipresent, so there can not be two. A dualistic approach to religious practice will never end, there will be endless confusion from conflating conceptual aspects of the one God with the one God. Only through non-duality can God be apprehended, but in this apprehension, the seeker must cease seeking and let reality itself be present without conceptualization of it.

Nothing separate from god can enter into God for God is one, so long as there is a you seeking to know God, there is an inherent implication that God is separate from you, therefore you will never in all eternity realize God

 

[Segev Moran]

A thinking question!

There is no depiction of God that is true. It is actually a sin to depict God as far as I know.
I suppose it is a command.
The source of knowledge is God so the answer, imo, is no, one cannot know God anyway but from God.

According to the Jewish religion, The "tora" is not only the actual words of God, it is also written in the language of God. There is also accepted explanations that claim
the universe itself is written in Hebrew.

 

[savagewind]

Mysticism is not confined to Christianity, it is not sectarian.

There is one eternal God, and the kingdom of god is within, not outside. If you believe God is outside of you, the that makes two, God and you, but God is said to be omnipresent, so there can not be two. A dualistic approach to religious practice will never end, there will be endless confusion from conflating conceptual aspects of the one God with the one God. Only through non-duality can God be apprehended, but in this apprehension, the seeker must cease seeking and let reality itself be present without conceptualization of it.

Nothing separate from god can enter into God for God is one, so long as there is a you seeking to know God, there is an inherent implication that God is separate from you, therefore you will never in all eternity realize God

God can be without yet also be with you like a marriage.
If God is in you and God is in me, then you and I are the same. We are not the same.

 

[savagewind]

According to the Jewish religion, The "tora" is not only the actual words of God, it is also written in the language of God.

OK. I don't believe it.

There is also accepted explanations that claim
the universe itself is written in Hebrew.

There isn't any way to know that.

 

[Segev Moran]

There isn't an entity a part from the source(s) of the individual religions. If there were, it's named as "a mystery" or "it's a sin to depict god" or things of that nature.

I don't think someone can give you an answer because A. they depend on sources to describe god for them, B. they feel it's wrong to describe god themselves C. they don't trust their own experiences to talk about god apart from their sources or D. they are hoping that god exist and misinterpreting hope and faith for fact and knowledge.

I think you might be under estimating some people

 

[Segev Moran]

Just how implausible would it be, as you put it, for God to be the god? Any genuine god is going to be beyond comprehension, and any words, writings, rituals, or traditions about him will necessarily be -- at best -- human attempts to enter into some kind of relationship with him. Hopefully, an always evolving one.

God is no more god than a dot on a map of France is Paris. And that assumes there even is a god.

For you

 

[EtuMalku]

Mysticism is not confined to Christianity, it is not sectarian.

There is one eternal God, and the kingdom of god is within, not outside. If you believe God is outside of you, the that makes two, God and you, but God is said to be omnipresent, so there can not be two. A dualistic approach to religious practice will never end, there will be endless confusion from conflating conceptual aspects of the one God with the one God. Only through non-duality can God be apprehended, but in this apprehension, the seeker must cease seeking and let reality itself be present without conceptualization of it.

Nothing separate from god can enter into God for God is one, so long as there is a you seeking to know God, there is an inherent implication that God is separate from you, therefore you will never in all eternity realize God

Impressive answer, thanks

 

[Ben Dhyan]

God can be without yet also be with you like a marriage.
If God is in you and God is in me, then you and I are the same. We are not the same.

Yes, as human souls, we are an expression of God within, and the marriage metaphor in terms of the mind's normal awake state is appropriate. But to my understanding, the 'marriage expression' is not a analogy as in a physical world reality of marriage involving two persons of equal and opposite partnership, it is the spirit of God incarnate in matter that makes us a living soul, this is the true marriage union. We can say that the God within and the conceived God without is the same one God, it is only the conceptualizing mind that makes the distinction of two aspects of the one God.

 

[Segev Moran]

Wouldn't this question fall into the idea that there are so many amazing and insanely complex things in the universe from physics to the human eyeball that there surely must be a Creator God?

nope