"Religion of Peace?"

[hughwatt]

Is Islam a "religion of peace" as Muslims and an increasing number of people would have us believe?

With the current ongoing atrocities being carried out on practically a daily basis the question is asked and answered in the affirmative by Muslims, politicians and the public alike. But who are these people who are given air-time on TV, radio and the public leftist largely controlled media?

Is there another version of Islam which is being suppressed and hidden from general public viewing?

Facebook has recently submitted to demands from Muslims who accuse non-Muslims of the charge of "blasphemy" to have comments removed and at the same time blocked an advert promoting a Christian film. So where are we going with all this?

“Your ad wasn’t approved because it doesn’t follow Facebook’s Advertising Guidelines for language that is profane, vulgar, threatening or generates high negative feedback,” Facebook reportedly wrote to producers of the film. “Ads can’t use language that insults, harasses or demeans people, or addresses their age, gender, name, race, physical condition or sexual preference.”

 

[icehorse]

Is formula 1 auto racing more dangerous than badminton?

I don't think it's honest to label Islam "a religion of peace", even though there are many peaceful Muslims.

 

[Rival]

Is formula 1 auto racing more dangerous than badminton?

I don't think it's honest to label Islam "a religion of peace", even though there are many peaceful Muslims.

Except for when I'm playing badminton. That's dangerous.

 

[hughwatt]

Is formula 1 auto racing more dangerous than badminton?

I don't think it's honest to label Islam "a religion of peace", even though there are many peaceful Muslims.

I'll ask you another question then. Are those "peaceful Muslims" a true representation of Islam?

 

[Thief]

Is Islam a "religion of peace" as Muslims and an increasing number of people would have us believe?

With the current ongoing atrocities being carried out on practically a daily basis the question is asked and answered in the affirmative by Muslims, politicians and the public alike. But who are these people who are given air-time on TV, radio and the public leftist largely controlled media?

Is there another version of Islam which is being suppressed and hidden from general public viewing?

Facebook has recently submitted to demands from Muslims who accuse non-Muslims of the charge of "blasphemy" to have comments removed and at the same time blocked an advert promoting a Christian film. So where are we going with all this?

“Your ad wasn’t approved because it doesn’t follow Facebook’s Advertising Guidelines for language that is profane, vulgar, threatening or generates high negative feedback,” Facebook reportedly wrote to producers of the film. “Ads can’t use language that insults, harasses or demeans people, or addresses their age, gender, name, race, physical condition or sexual preference.”

years ago I saw a report in which a cleric (dressed in black)....stood to a microphone and audience....
and proclaim...

Islam is NOT a religion of peace!

he was booed and hissed at
he then continued to make his speech after calming the crowd with waving his hands

but I don't think anyone bought it
(except the radicals who lean to such things)

 

[Lorgar-Aurelian]

Is Islam a "religion of peace" as Muslims and an increasing number of people would have us believe?

With the current ongoing atrocities being carried out on practically a daily basis the question is asked and answered in the affirmative by Muslims, politicians and the public alike. But who are these people who are given air-time on TV, radio and the public leftist largely controlled media?

Is there another version of Islam which is being suppressed and hidden from general public viewing?

Facebook has recently submitted to demands from Muslims who accuse non-Muslims of the charge of "blasphemy" to have comments removed and at the same time blocked an advert promoting a Christian film. So where are we going with all this?

“Your ad wasn’t approved because it doesn’t follow Facebook’s Advertising Guidelines for language that is profane, vulgar, threatening or generates high negative feedback,” Facebook reportedly wrote to producers of the film. “Ads can’t use language that insults, harasses or demeans people, or addresses their age, gender, name, race, physical condition or sexual preference.”

The idea that Islam is a religion of peace is not even one that originally comes from Muslims. The truth is any claims that Islam is a religion of peace is practically unislamic in and of itself. That isn't even to say it is a religion of violence. I mean Islam does disgust me on many many levels but still.

No the Quran endorses violence, the hadith endorse violence, just about every part of Islam endorses violence. They want you to convert or more or less be a slave. Of course you more than likely don't want to be a slave so when you fight back they fight you, claiming Islam is better than any other religion and often resorting to acts of terrorism to do it. That or you know having about 3 times the kids you do.

 

[sovietchild]

99.999% of Muslims are peaceful.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Oh hey this topic again.

I'll ask you another question then. Are those "peaceful Muslims" a true representation of Islam?

In order to say one is a 'true representation of Islam one would have to agree that there is an objectively valid interpretation of Islam. I don't believe there is. Do I think Islam is the 'religion of peace'? Well, no, no more than Christianity, Judaism, Bahai, Hinduism, Neo-Pagan and Heathen religions are. And no less. Because my interpretations of the relative peacefulness of their tenants are subject to my POV, and telling other people that their religion conforms to my POV rather than their own would be a crappy thing to do. Just like the fact that I think the bible is sexist, racist, homophobic, exclusivist and violent doesn't mean I can't understand that most Christians don't believe it is.

If we're talking statistical representation then yes, I'd say far more Muslims represent Islam by being peaceful than those who don't.

 

[hughwatt]

99.999% of Muslims are peaceful.

That may be so but is Islam a "religion of peace?"

 

[sovietchild]

That may be so but is Islam a "religion of peace?"

Sure. It teaches one to be peaceful, but be ready to fight off invaders. Just like a bee with a weapon. If you touch it, it will hurt you.

 

[hughwatt]

Oh hey this topic again.

In order to say one is a 'true representation of Islam one would have to agree that there is an objectively valid interpretation of Islam. I don't believe there is. Do I think Islam is the 'religion of peace'? Well, no, no more than Christianity, Judaism, Bahai, Hinduism, Neo-Pagan and Heathen religions are. And no less. Because my interpretations of the relative peacefulness of their tenants are subject to my POV, and telling other people that their religion conforms to my POV rather than their own would be a crappy thing to do. Just like the fact that I think the bible is sexist, racist, homophobic, exclusivist and violent doesn't mean I can't understand that most Christians don't believe it is.

If we're talking statistical representation then yes, I'd say far more Muslims represent Islam by being peaceful than those who don't.

Being objective with Islam would mean reading the Koran, Hadith and Sunnah. How much of these have you read?

 

[Theweirdtophat]

Most religions talk about peace. Islam is not the first and won't be the last to say that. The end goal for almost all religions is peace. With the exception of those hardcore dark cults who use evil to subjugate others, most religions have peace, enlightenment and harmony as the end goal.

People see the bad things that bad Muslims do and assume all Muslims believe in the same thing. I guess that's why there's different branches of Islam...not to mention the Muslims that do fight against terrorists. We know the Quran forbids force conversion and many other horrible things as well, but that doesn't get talked about. The Muslims who do condemn terrorism and actually fight against it don't get that much press.

No one finds this strange?

I already know there's good Muslims because I've known some for many years. That alone is proof there are good Muslims as well as bad.

 

[sovietchild]

Just like a bull with a horn, it's peaceful but its ready for war.

 

[hughwatt]

Sure. It teaches one to be peaceful, but be ready to fight off invaders. Just like a bee with a weapon. If you touch it, it will hurt you.

Do you have any references for that?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Being objective with Islam would mean reading the Koran, Hadith and Sunnah. How much of these have you read?

If all it took to be objective was to read them, there wouldn't be denominations, groups of varied thought, and a myriad of individual interpretations. What makes you think your interpretation is more objective than anyone elses?
No, your interpretation of them is just as subjective to your POV as theirs.

 

[hughwatt]

We know the Quran forbids force conversion and many other horrible things as well, but that doesn't get talked about.

Reference request.

 

[hughwatt]

If all it took to be objective was to read them, there wouldn't be denominations, groups of varied thought, and a myriad of individual interpretations. What makes you think your interpretation is more objective than anyone elses?
No, your interpretation of them is just as subjective to your POV as theirs.

Why is your interpretation the right one and not those who see it otherwise?

 

[sovietchild]

Do you have any references for that?

Isn't it natural to be peaceful and have a weapon by ones side? Islam is a way of life.

I herd UFO ships have lasers. They are peaceful, but they are ready to retaliate if needed. I also herd they have an audio weapon if one were to come close to their ships.

 

[sovietchild]

Do you have any references for that?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Why is your interpretation the right one and not those who see it otherwise?

I never said it was. All I said is that there is no reasonable claim to an objectively true interpretation. So what is Islam is more reflective of the statistical representation of how Muslims behave than the actual texts. Just like Christianity, because, as I said, I find the bible to be a pretty crappy book overall. I think the Koran is pretty crappy too, but I've seen plenty of Muslims interpret it and practice it in peaceful ways. Moreso than those who don't.

That goes for irreligious philosophies too. I've seen very insightful and peaceful ways of interpreting Marx, and some very terrible ways.