Why do people hate Muslims?

[MD]

None of which is an excuse for the fundamentalist violence. These people are getting their violent ideas from their religion, period.

This is completely wrong, the imperialist wars played a huge part on damaging the Islamic psyche, which is why they turned to harsher forms of Islamism.

The Palestinians, the Iraq wars, the Iraq sanctions, the Iran-Iraq war, the Iranian revolution, Afghanistan, Syrian and Yemen civil war, all were affected directly or indirectly by American imperialism. Many countries were destroyed, social services destroyed, infrastructures gone, so the mosques stepped in with rhetoric.

You cannot ignore foreign policy in the context of religious extremism.

 

[MD]

Wars on natural resources? Are you insane?

It was us who provided the technology to those middle eastern savages to extract oil from their ground! LOL We enabled thousands of them to become gazillionaires! If not for us they would still be living in the stone age. They sure never complained about us showing them how to reap oil, did they?

You're talking to a middle eastern 'savage', just so you know. The Gulf is not the Middle East, and most people who live there are not gazillionaires. In fact many in the Middle East dislike the gulf states and their princes, in fact some in the states do so as well.

The Middle East was one of the main spots of civilization for most of human recorded history. Not in the stone age.

 

[Sakeenah]

Would I be allowed to attend the Mosque and observe the imam lead Islamic worship with no questions asked?

Yes

 

[Fire_Monkey]

You're talking to a middle eastern 'savage', just so you know. The Gulf is not the Middle East, and most people who live there are not gazillionaires. In fact many in the Middle East dislike the gulf states and their princes, in fact some in the states do so as well.

The Middle East was one of the main spots of civilization for most of human recorded history. Not in the stone age.

Had they retained the same level of industry and technology and quality of living they had before we provided them the petroleum extraction technology that made them rich beyond their wildest dreams, they would nowadays not be a First World peoples. Thanks to us, they have the finances to move into the modern world, build schools, make jobs, and help impoverished country men. The fact that the wealthy their by and large are NOT philantrhopic is not our problem. It is theirs. Great power demands great responsibility. We gave them great power, and thery have basically abused it and squandered it.


Here are 17 incredible facts about oil-rich Saudi Arabia

 

[Nakosis]

It's really a shame givin how Arabic culture and religion had contributed a number of things in a positive light over the centuries only to be severely diminished in the wake of authoritarian rule and overall destruction.

What's the basis for this Golden Era?

I've heard the Islamic apologists. Did this happen because of Islam or perhaps it conquered other people and a lot of this occurred under Islamic rule?

 

[MD]

Had they retained the same level of industry and technology and quality of living they had before we provided them the petroleum extraction technology that made them rich beyond their wildest dreams, they would nowadays not be a First World peoples. Thanks to us, they have the finances to move into the modern world, build schools, make jobs, and help impoverished country men. The fact that the wealthy their by and large are NOT philantrhopic is not our problem. It is theirs. Great power demands great responsibility. We gave them great power, and thery have basically abused it and squandered it.

You're as deranged as the leftists who support Islamists.

 

[MD]

What's the basis for this Golden Era?

I've heard the Islamic apologists. Did this happen because of Islam or perhaps it conquered other people and a lot of this occurred under Islamic rule?

Islamic administrations had better organizational power resulting in better transfer of knowledge. The renaissance was already starting in various centers of the middle east prior to Islam.

 

[Sakeenah]

Sorry stole this thread since I didn't think it appropriate to respond in the forum it was created.
Why do people hate Muslims

However I also felt I would like to express my feelings.

While I don't hate Muslims, I think people see it as a threat to western culture. I know there are secular Muslims. I've no problem with folks willing to accept secular rule. It works. It's allowed folks from different cultures to live and work together.

That being said, I personally feel I should not have to respect, observe or necessarily have any consideration for someone else's religious beliefs. We can share, enjoy, partake in one another's culture if we choose to or not. We have our civil laws and that's the only laws we need to respect.

If you want to come here, support the USA, become an American citizen, support our secular government, that's great. If not, you shouldn't come.

Majority of people don't hate muslims even if they disagree with our beliefs.There's a difference between disliking with a set of ideas and hating someone based on their religion. As a muslim I don't have an issue with someone disagreeing with my beliefs but I don't think it's acceptable for someone to hate me just because I'm muslim.
I've noticed that those who hate Muslims are mostly people who don't have any muslim friends or acquaintances and accept everything that the media says in regards to Muslims. Thankfully the majority of people I met online and offline realise that the majority of Muslims( secular and orthodox) are peaceful people who are living their lives.

 

[Cephus]

This is completely wrong, the imperialist wars played a huge part on damaging the Islamic psyche, which is why they turned to harsher forms of Islamism.

The Palestinians, the Iraq wars, the Iraq sanctions, the Iran-Iraq war, the Iranian revolution, Afghanistan, Syrian and Yemen civil war, all were affected directly or indirectly by American imperialism. Many countries were destroyed, social services destroyed, infrastructures gone, so the mosques stepped in with rhetoric.

You cannot ignore foreign policy in the context of religious extremism.

Which is still irrelevant. Islam is still the cause of the violence. If you completely remove religion from the equation, there is simply no justification whatsoever for the kind of extreme terrorist nonsense that we see. You're just desperately looking for something else to blame.

 

[BSM1]

The Rohingya Muslim are amongst the most persecuted minority group in the world.

Persecution of Muslims in Myanmar - Wikipedia

Uhmm...it looks like the Muslims are being persecuted by the Myanmar government, not the Buddhist per se.

 

[Nakosis]

I suspect plenty of Muslims feel the same way about us, arguably with as much/little justification.

If I were to migrate to a Muslim or any country, I would do so with the expectation of needing to assimilate. I wouldn't immigrate to a country who culture/customs I felt threatened by.

Respect should be for individuals regardless of their general (or presumed) religious beliefs, not because of them. I very much doubt you’ve ever been required to observe any religious belief or practice in the US other than Christian ones. I think it’d be foolish and counterproductive not to take in to consideration the religion beliefs of people you’re interacting with. Wilfully ignoring them is as likely to cause more problems for everyone than reasonable consideration, just as you would for countless other characteristics those people might have.

Why should it? If I Immigrated to another county I'd no expectation they would need to have any consideration for my religious beliefs or customs. I work with folks from around the world. Religion never comes up. I've never needed to have any consideration for their customs. We get along fine.

I’d suggest you need to be talking to some of your fellow Americans too. While your nation is theoretically secular, in practice and certainly the attempted practice by some, it is pushed in a different direction.

I would dislike being expected to accept Christian traditions or beliefs as much as any other. Fortunately it's been a non-issue.

 

[Nakosis]

Not much left of "Western Culture" once you've taken all that away. If there's one thing Western history should have taught you is that taking advantage of globalization and populational diversity has always led to the high points, where isolation and fascism have generally led to trouble.

Yes, Muslims conquered a large part of the world. Though how can you be sure these things would not have also occurred under different rule?

 

[sovietchild]

Which is still irrelevant. Islam is still the cause of the violence. If you completely remove religion from the equation, there is simply no justification whatsoever for the kind of extreme terrorist nonsense that we see. You're just desperately looking for something else to blame.

Are you saying Islam is the cause of violence? Or am I just having problems understanding your post?

 

[Notanumber]

Yes

When imams attend UK prisons, are they leading Islamic worship as they would in a Mosque or are they teaching?

 

[Nakosis]

And many human's nature is to separate what I believe as good and what some other group believes as evil. Not so many decades ago when a friend was growing up, she was told that those Catholics were evil and going to hell while her brand of Protestant Christianity was true and members going to heaven. This kind of nonsense is gradually dying off, too slowly for my taste.

And another part of human nature is to take the belief and actions of a few and generalize to the many.

This leads some to hate the other, in this case Muslims.

So do you think the actions of Muslims had nothing to do with this hate?

 

[Sakeenah]

When imams attend UK prisons, are they leading Islamic worship as they would in a Mosque or are they teaching?

I thought we were discussing non-muslims visiting mosques how did we end up at UK prisons? I think it would be good if you visit a mosque one day, it would clear up a lot of your misconceptions on Islam and Muslims

 

[Sakeenah]

If I were to migrate to a Muslim or any country, I would do so with the expectation of needing to assimilate. I wouldn't immigrate to a country who culture/customs I felt threatened by.



Why should it? If I Immigrated to another county I'd no expectation they would need to have any consideration for my religious beliefs or customs. I work with folks from around the world. Religion never comes up. I've never needed to have any consideration for their customs. We get along fine.



I would dislike being expected to accept Christian traditions or beliefs as much as any other. Fortunately it's been a non-issue.

Why do you think it's important for Muslims to assimilate? I personally don't think assimiliation is needed, a person can integrate and contribute to society without giving up their culture and religion.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Yes, there are secular Muslims. There are also benign tumours.

They don't make cancer any less real.

Besides, it's not a matter of hating Muslims, or hating anyone. It isn't Muslims that are the problem, it's the mind virus of Islam itself that is the problem;judged not by what it is, but by what it does.

The colored parts highlight the hypocrisy on their own.

Also, I find your comments particularly telling given the brand of religion you support. In many cases, I find Satanism to basically be what would result if fairy tales were combined with childish reactionism and lack of emotional discipline. So much for criticizing another religion as if yours were any better.

 

[MD]

Which is still irrelevant. Islam is still the cause of the violence. If you completely remove religion from the equation, there is simply no justification whatsoever for the kind of extreme terrorist nonsense that we see. You're just desperately looking for something else to blame.

I'm not desperately doing anything but trying to speak the truth. My main goal in life is the truth.

As much as I dislike Islam, I cannot ignore the amount of destruction America and the rest of the West has done in the middle east. These contributed to unstable regions and extremism. If you ignore that then you are ignoring a huge contributing factor.

I would argue in fact were in not for imperialism the ME would be far more secular today than it is now.

 

[Cephus]

I'm not desperately doing anything but trying to speak the truth. My main goal in life is the truth.

As much as I dislike Islam, I cannot ignore the amount of destruction America and the rest of the West has done in the middle east. These contributed to unstable regions and extremism. If you ignore that then you are ignoring a huge contributing factor.

I would argue in fact were in not for imperialism the ME would be far more secular today than it is now.

Which still doesn't change the reality that it is their idiotic religious beliefs that cause them to react violently. You can point your fingers at anything you want, reality still shows what's really going on.