The Most Honest and Compelling Immigration Video on the Internet!

[psychoslice]

I just watch this fantastic video and had to share it, it makes so much sense, what do you think ?.

 

[icehorse]

I didn't like the intro.

The video itself was very informative.

 

[Estro Felino]

It's obvious that all the money spent on clandestine immigrants in Europe (35 Euros a day), that is billions of Euros can be used to help those African countries, so those people will not have to immigrate, risking their life in the Mediterranean.
It's clear that immigration is wanted by a specific élite who uses that money to create a new slavery system, where the immigrants, will be payed much less than European citizens.

A "white genocide" intro followed by a talk that makes the pointlessly obvious argument 'immigration into the US doesn't solve global poverty'.

I found it very dull and not in any way informative (I did have to skip through it a bit because it was very dull indeed)

I found it a very sterile discourse too...since ideology and race have noting to do with Economic Plans of certain élites. It is impossible to deny that there are economic interests behind all this.

 

[Valjean]

I suppose if you're a paranoid, xenophobic, white nationalist it makes sense.

Here's another video you might like:

 

[idav]

I just watch this fantastic video and had to share it, it makes so much sense, what do you think ?.

I wouldn't compare immigration and Islam to a sword. That's starts with a false premise to assume people fleeing countries want to destroy western culture. Often people who flee from a country appreciate and want democracy.

 

[Augustus]

A "white genocide" intro followed by a talk that makes the pointlessly obvious argument 'immigration into the US doesn't solve global poverty'.

I found it very dull and not in any way informative (I did have to skip through it a bit because it was very dull indeed)

 

[Jedster]

I suppose if you're a paranoid, xenophobic, white nationalist it makes sense.

Here's another video you might like:

What can One say......

 

[Stevicus]

I just watch this fantastic video and had to share it, it makes so much sense, what do you think ?.

Having followed the immigration debate for the past few decades in various incarnations, I've observed that there's very little "middle ground" between the pro-immigration and anti-immigration viewpoints. Those who are pro-immigration only point out the positives of immigration, and they won't hear or entertain any arguments which might suggest any negatives. The anti-immigration activists are just the opposite in that they'll only point out the negatives.

The arguments also seem to come from different directions and vantage points. In the USA, a lot of the pro-immigration sentiment seems to be based mostly on tradition, that America is a land of immigrants and this historical fact gives us a moral obligation to accept and accommodate immigrants from other lands. This particular argument doesn't really seem to apply to other nations.

Then there are countries like Mexico which expect and demand open immigration to the US, but do not give similar consideration to immigrants to their own countries.

The trouble really seems to stem from the fact that immigration is, in fact, a global issue, yet each country has its own individual policies and attitudes regarding immigration. Some people of a more globalist perspective think that one day, national boundaries will no longer exist, and people will move from country to country just as people move between states in the US today. I don't know if that will ever come to pass, though. A lot of far-reaching changes would have to be made on an international level before that could ever happen.

Until then, there will likely be resistance to immigration wherever it occurs. There will probably also be stronger pressures to assimilate. Many may be accepting of immigrants, but only on the condition that they learn the language and adopt the culture of the country they're immigrating to. It's in this area which I think is troubling to some people. They're okay with immigration and cultural diversity to some degree, but only in measured amounts. If it seems as if one culture is totally displacing another, then this is when it starts to get tense. These are the things we need to keep a better eye on.

 

[metis]

Comparative stats on crime indicate the immigrants, including those here illegally, actually commit fewer crimes than home-spun Americans, so maybe "Anglos" should be deported?

 

[YmirGF]

Comparative stats on crime indicate the immigrants, including those here illegally, actually commit fewer crimes than home-spun Americans, so maybe "Anglos" should be deported?

Agreed. I just can't wrap my head around why people pretend that legal immigrantion and illegal immigrantion are essentially the same thing. Even when one clearly talks about illegal immigration, specifically about people who break well established immigration laws, that you are against somehow xenophobic or anti-immigration itself. It's more than a bit mind-numbing.

 

[metis]

Agreed. I just can't wrap my head around why people pretend that legal immigrantion and illegal immigrantion are essentially the same thing. Even when one clearly talks about illegal immigration, specifically about people who break well established immigration laws, that you are against somehow xenophobic or anti-immigration itself. It's more than a bit mind-numbing.

And I agree as well.

What's "weird" here is that there's a far better and less costly solution to "the Wall", and that is to issue heavy fines and prison time (fines may not be enough) to those employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens.

So, why don't we do that? Answer, imo: $ and the need for such laborers as so many benefit from having them here, including farmers, businesses, and the American consumer. Therefore getting rid of 10+ million immigrants would be financially disastrous.

 

[Altfish]

You know before you start that a video called, "Most Honest and Compelling Immigration Video on the Internet!" is over selling itself.

I may be jumping to conclusions but the posters' name is Robert Lee - not after the famous Confederate General by any chance

 

[YmirGF]

And I agree as well.

What's "weird" here is that there's a far better and less costly solution to "the Wall", and that is to issue heavy fines and prison time (fines may not be enough) to those employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens.

So, why don't we do that? Answer, imo: $ and the need for such laborers as so many benefit from having them here, including farmers, businesses, and the American consumer. Therefore getting rid of 10+ million immigrants would be financially disastrous.

Turn off the lamp and the moths will stay home.

 

[buddhist]

If an individual is allowed to self-identify, then a collective of individuals (nations) should also possess that right.

 

[Valjean]

Agreed. I just can't wrap my head around why people pretend that legal immigrantion and illegal immigrantion are essentially the same thing. Even when one clearly talks about illegal immigration, specifically about people who break well established immigration laws, that you are against somehow xenophobic or anti-immigration itself. It's more than a bit mind-numbing.

I'm not disputing the fact that many people are here illegally. I'm disputing the obsessive, nativist reaction to it, and the idea that these people are a major social and economic problem. I'm questioning the right's obsession with "the undeserving," their black-and-white thinking, their xenophobia, their willingness to cut off their nose to spite their face.

Strict compliance with the letter of the law is not the definition of morality, justice or right-and-wrong. Laws are man made, mercurial and often crude tools. There are few laws that function in the public interest in all situations. There are usually situations where strict application of law would be counter productive.
Are laws made to serve man, or man, the laws? When the interests of society and the letter of the law are in conflict, which side will you choose?

Aren't these paranoiacs the same demographic touting Christian Values, promoting prayer in schools and railing against the War on Christmas and calling for a bar on Muslims?
Aren't compassion and the golden rule Christian values? Aren't Christians supposed to love their neighbors, welcome the stranger among them, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, &c, &c? Doesn't God's law trump mans? Are we trying to serve two masters?

Smoke and mirrors. What pro corporate legislation is being quietly passed while the public's being distracted by this dog and pony show? What social programs are being quietly undermined?

 

[Valjean]

Turn off the lamp and the moths will stay home.

Quite right. No need for a wall and an army of jack booted ICE agents.

Alabama's experiment in enforcement clearly illustrated how easy it is to get "illegals" to self deport.
Alabama began citing employers. It was wildly successful. Illegals left. Employers couldn't fill jobs with US citizens. Economy crashed. Law was quickly rescinded.
Alabama law drives out illegal immigrants but also has unexpected consequences

I suspect the controversy is more useful to the GOP than an actual solution would be. Demagogues need scapegoats and an unpopular "other" to blame society's ills on. Demagogues need a crisis to create uncritical support as they push through totalitarian enactments.

 

[metis]

Alabama's experiment in enforcement clearly illustrated how easy it is to get "illegals" to self deport.
Alabama began citing employers. It was wildly successful. Illegals left. Employers couldn't fill jobs with US citizens. Economy crashed. Law was quickly rescinded.
Alabama law drives out illegal immigrants but also has unexpected consequences

Thank you for this and the link as I knew that Alabama had passed the law and read that it was disastrous, but I needed further verification (I always look for multiple sources versus just blindly accepting one).

 

[columbus]

So, why don't we do that? Answer, imo: $ and the need for such laborers as so many benefit from having them here, including farmers, businesses, and the American consumer.

This is very true.
And there's another aspect to the immigrants, regardless of documentation. They buy stuff! Billions of dollars worth every year. Even the lowest paid people need gasoline and groceries and housing and all that, too.

Deporting them would benefit entry level and low skilled workers by eliminating competition. But a lot of big companies, from WalMart to Manpower to gas stations would be hit hard. The combination of tight labor markets and drop in consumer consumption would be terrible for Wall Street, which is why this problem has been hanging fire for so long. Wall Street doesn't want it resolved.
Tom

 

[buddhist]

Employers couldn't fill jobs with US citizens. Economy crashed. Law was quickly rescinded.

Do you believe that the economy should be the only factor that should play into arguments regarding illegal infiltrators?

 

[Valjean]

Do you believe that the economy should be the only factor that should play into arguments regarding illegal infiltrators?

Good point, Buddhist. There's moral responsibility too. If you're the cause of problems so egregious that people are forced to abandon everything they know and emmigrate, I'd think you'd owe them a little help.