Do you find the teaching of eternal damnation thoroughly repulsive and the epitome of unjust?

[Shadow Wolf]

I find it impossible to believe that such a teaching is anything more than the words of men desperate for power.

 

[Reggie Miller]

I cringe and grit my teeth with disgust that God would do this to people I know that aren't bad people. Their crime is they don't believe in God or accept the wrong Gods and don't accept Jesus.
So, you don't find the teaching that people will be tossed about in flames while their agonizing flesh is devoured by worms, wailing and gnashing their teeth for eternity, to be disgusting?

What is their crime for receiving such an eternity of torture? Well, not believing in this God that hides himself and refuses to say a word, not accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior. (Excuse me while I vomit!)

We have a book that divides people and contradicts itself that Christians can't agree on it's interpretation, and that is what we have to save souls from this eternity of torture. I see people on the road to Hell every day and what do I have as a life-preserver to try and save some of these drowning people, but a book full of contradictions and easily verifiable falsehoods. I HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER THESE PEOPLE!

God won't speak up. He's watching people die and go to Hell daily and could save the souls of so many atheists by simply speaking up, and he refuses. And he will have people tortured forever and ever and ever for not believing in him. You don't find that unjust and thoroughly repulsive?? *Barf!*

So will you now sit in judgement of the Holy One of Israel? You know better.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

God is not the least irrational or unjust.
However men have misinterpreted him and imposed their own ideas on to him.
Even though the are refuted by his true nature....of love and forgiveness.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I hope I can reach a point where I don't care but it has been so drilled into me.

You can do it! It was hard for me at first, but once you reject god, you are renouncing his control over you, and that includes the fears of Hell and punishment. They may linger, but you are strong, and it will probably also help you get over this phase of "hatred and disgust" towards something you nearing total rejection of. There is no hatred of god once you realize there is no god in control, only a universe of chaos. There will still be objections towards certain teachings and religious ideologies and dogma, but once you reject god these feelings should pass.

So will you now sit in judgement of the Holy One of Israel? You know better.

Yes, by questioning and doubting he is demonstrating that he does know better.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

I cringe and grit my teeth with disgust that God would do this to people I know that aren't bad people. Their crime is they don't believe in God or accept the wrong Gods and don't accept Jesus.
So, you don't find the teaching that people will be tossed about in flames while their agonizing flesh is devoured by worms, wailing and gnashing their teeth for eternity, to be disgusting?

What is their crime for receiving such an eternity of torture? Well, not believing in this God that hides himself and refuses to say a word, not accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior. (Excuse me while I vomit!)

We have a book that divides people and contradicts itself that Christians can't agree on it's interpretation, and that is what we have to save souls from this eternity of torture. I see people on the road to Hell every day and what do I have as a life-preserver to try and save some of these drowning people, but a book full of contradictions and easily verifiable falsehoods. I HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER THESE PEOPLE!

God won't speak up. He's watching people die and go to Hell daily and could save the souls of so many atheists by simply speaking up, and he refuses. And he will have people tortured forever and ever and ever for not believing in him. You don't find that unjust and thoroughly repulsive?? *Barf!*

Most of the time I feel that god only wants worship and for people to follow him.

To god it is "It is either you worship me or you burn in hell for all eternity."

God doesn't care about anyone but only himself.

I voted Yes, but to be honest I just see no chance of it being true. As far as I am concerned, I know God is Love, and that God deeply and totally loves his creation. This doesn't fit with that.

What would you do if god is really doing what he doing?

 

[Kirran]

You can do it! It was hard for me at first, but once you reject god, you are renouncing his control over you, and that includes the fears of Hell and punishment. They may linger, but you are strong, and it will probably also help you get over this phase of "hatred and disgust" towards something you nearing total rejection of. There is no hatred of god once you realize there is no god in control, only a universe of chaos. There will still be objections towards certain teachings and religious ideologies and dogma, but once you reject god these feelings should pass.

Yes, by questioning and doubting he is demonstrating that he does know better.

Shadow Wolf that's getting a bit dangerously proselytisory...

 

[allfoak]

When something you know upsets you then just remember this.

Gospel of Thomas
saying 70

70. Jesus said, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Shadow Wolf that's getting a bit dangerously proselytisory...

And wrong. The universe is not chaotic, but functions by laws.

 

[Quintessence]

I hope I can reach a point where I don't care but it has been so drilled into me.

It begins with minding your stories. Mind the ones you listen to. Stop listening to the stories you do not enjoy. And mind the ones you tell. Stories gain power in the telling; do not tell the stories of things you do not wish to give power to.

 

[Reggie Miller]

Shadow Wolf that's getting a bit dangerously proselytisory...

I prefer being direct and hearing things spoken directly. Proselytizing doesn't bother me as long as he is being honest.

 

[Kirran]

I prefer being direct and hearing things spoken directly. Proselytizing doesn't bother me as long as he is being honest.

Fair enough. But RF's rules are not mindful of your personal sentiments. (she)

 

[Reggie Miller]

When something you know upsets you then just remember this.

Gospel of Thomas
saying 70

70. Jesus said, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

The gospel of Thomas is not in the Canon for a very good reason. It is not divinely inspired.

 

[allfoak]

The gospel of Thomas is not in the Canon for a very good reason. It is not divinely inspired.

Leave me alone!

 

[Reggie Miller]

Leave me alone!

No one is offending you.

 

[Kirran]

I prefer truth to the site's rules.

Alright then.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And wrong. The universe is not chaotic, but functions by laws.

Yes, there are laws, but it chaotic. There is cosmic justice, karma, or anything that ensures wrongdoers are punished and bad things don't happen to good people. We live a universe of random chaos. We have an idea of the laws that govern physics and chemistry, we have decent understanding of biology, but ultimately we may discover today a meteor is going to kill us all within a week. We can explain that through physics, but it is extremely doubtful there was any willful force that consciously put it there.

 

[Spiderman]

It begins with minding your stories. Mind the ones you listen to. Stop listening to the stories you do not enjoy. And mind the ones you tell. Stories gain power in the telling; do not tell the stories of things you do not wish to give power to.

You offer good advice. It's more than a story though. It is a Dogma, a Dogma that many people are preaching and living by and drilling into their children.

I wish there was something I could do to get people to stop preaching and embracing such heinous Dogma!

You are right though. I need to be more mindful of my speech, what I listen to, and find greater maturity so that such things no longer anger me. Am working on it

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yes, there are laws, but it chaotic. There is cosmic justice, karma, or anything that ensures wrongdoers are punished and bad things don't happen to good people. We live a universe of random chaos. We have an idea of the laws that govern physics and chemistry, we have decent understanding of biology, but ultimately we may discover today a meteor is going to kill us all within a week. We can explain that through physics, but it is extremely doubtful there was any willful force that consciously put it there.

A meteor killing us is not "chaos". It's just a natural occurrence. The meteor is still following Laws that enable the functioning of the Cosmos. Unless you are using "chaos" in a different way than I am reading it?

 

[Jumi]

No, I just don't believe in such a place.

 

[Quintessence]

You offer good advice. It's more than a story though. It is a Dogma, a Dogma that many people are preaching and living by and drilling into their children.

Dogmas are stories. Stories are humans engaging in tellings about the worlds - observations, descriptions, prescriptions. Dogmas are particularly prescriptive stories that proclaim that they are so, incontrovertibly. But they are still stories. That is how I see it, at any rate. I don't wager many people conceptualize human knowledge as basically a practice of storytelling.

You are right though. I need to be more mindful of my speech, what I listen to, and find greater maturity so that such things no longer anger me. Am working on it

It is a long process. It requires a level of mindfulness that we often lack in our day-to-day lives. Mindfulness of the inner dialogues we have, and our reactions to things.