the Crimes of God

[Shadow Wolf]

God created all and all belongs to Him. He can do as He wishes with His creation.

What's the difference between that and some guy claiming he can do as he will with his wife as he rapes and do as he wishes to his kids as he beats them?

His judgements are all righteous. If you understand scripture you know this.

I find this peculiar, because I was in a similar position as yourself until I actually and fully read the Bible. I let no pastor tell me what to read, I had no tracts telling me how to interpret it, and I took all of it in, that in addition to all the inconsistencies and self-contradictions, there is no morally justifying what God actually does throughout the Bible. There are a few reasons we consider Machiavellian politics to be problematic, one of the big concerns being that ethically the subjects do not exist to be used and abused as the ruler pleases.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

God created all and all belongs to Him. He can do as He wishes with His creation. His judgements are all righteous. If you understand scripture you know this.

Scripture says his judgement are righteous. I never take things at face value. My experiences in the Church, however beautiful, does not erase the fact christianity is built on human sacrifice. We can justify it all we want, but the actions are there. You call it righteousness and I call it plan out killing. Regardless, lives were taken. To base your salvation on human sacrifice astounds me. It's not meant as an insult but just in general christians basing their salvation and their perspective of what right and wrong is on human sacrifice just floors me, really.

 

[Dawnofhope]

God is allegedly omnipotent. Yet his "sacred book," on that many consider to be entirely accurate, states that the value of pi is 3. However, what makes this is interesting is not that we know that is wrong, but rather that we know that is what the Babylonians estimated determined as pi.

Citation please

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Citation please

I Kings 7:23-26 for the Bible putting the value of pi at 3.
Babylonian mathematics - Wikipedia
Babylonian texts usually approximated π≈3, sufficient for the architectural projects of the time (notably also reflected in the description of Solomon's Temple in the Hebrew Bible).

 

[Dawnofhope]

I Kings 7:23-26 for the Bible putting the value of pi at 3.
Babylonian mathematics - Wikipedia
Babylonian texts usually approximated π≈3, sufficient for the architectural projects of the time (notably also reflected in the description of Solomon's Temple in the Hebrew Bible).

The issue of how culture affects the language of 'sacred texts' is very interesting.

If it were really an error did it result in a construction problem with Solomon's Temple?

The verses I quoted could be interpreted in many ways in different contexts. Clearly I see a risk in judging God, especially if we haven't had a trial. But if God does not exist then there is no one to judge. Do you believe in God? I try to avoid making assumptions.

 

[psychoslice]

Judge not lest ye be judged Matthew 7:1-3

If only god could do that himself, if he existed that is.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Do you by chance know what the warning actually is

It is sacred scripture and can have many meanings. What it means to me in this context is to exercise great care in Judging God.

are you merely throwing it out there as a sad attempt at shaming those not afraid to reveal their judgments?

No.

 

[Dawnofhope]

If only god could do that himself, if he existed that is.

So the question has moved from establishing God's 'guilt' or otherwise. The question is now does He exist at all. No point having a trial if He doesn't. If He does how wise would be it be to put Him on trial. If He really is on trial who would be worthy to defend Him. l certainly wouldn't want to join the prosecution.

 

[Thief]

Don't compare this to god. I know it's hard to pretend to point a finger at god when you're actually not; it's just an analogy.

If I told you, you were pointing a finger at Sarah Zingerfield for a murder she and her husband Paul Zingerfield did in 1981 all because you assume that Sarah and Paul killed John Brandon's husband at that time....

and you found out later that Sarah and Paul have stolen the identity of a unidentified couple (which no one can trace), and you are still pointing the finger,

who are you pointing the finger at?

maybe your question would work better if you rephrase to consider WHAT people point their finger at

 

[Repox]

make a list and the appropriate penalty

you might include a means of applying your judgment

If there is no salvation for humans, penalizing God would be retaliation. Humans have no powers to do God harm. Oh, wait, at one time they brutally murdered God. God is playing it safe and staying in heaven sitting on His holy throne. Humans can't even create an atom, they can do nothing but buff and buff and blow things away.

 

[Thief]

Funny ... I see creation and I see it filled with suffering on every side. If a god did create this creation, I would say that it is a massive failure.

No matter the endless number of wonders we might discover throughout creation/samsara, it doesn't belie the fact that our experience of it all is inconstant, impermanent, and that none of it is ultimately sastifying.

I don't believe we were ever intended to live forever
and I believe this form we call Man has only one purpose....to form a unique soul
it doesn't take very long

in the mean time the chemistry will move like all the rest of life
quick.....and then dead

this thing called Man is not a mystery to me
This form does just what it was intended to do

 

[Thief]

If people aren't understanding you, rather than saying it's something wrong with them, perhaps you should examine the delivery of your own message.

don't shoot the messenger

and we should not have crucified the previous
nor should they have been burned
or fed to the lions
or whatever

 

[psychoslice]

So the question has moved from establishing God's 'guilt' or otherwise. The question is now does He exist at all. No point having a trial if He doesn't. If He does how wise would be it be to put Him on trial. If He really is on trial who would be worthy to defend Him. l certainly wouldn't want to join the prosecution.

No, I'm not asking the question if he exist, I already believe I know the answer to that, if you have read the bible right through you should already know what a madman he can be, come on now admit it.

 

[Thief]

Dominion over what though? On our own and without mechanical assistance, we can't control nature, we are utterly helpless against a myriad of organisms too tiny to see with the naked eye, many other animals are not threatened by us, and we are often not even good at controlling our own emotions.
If anyone gave us an advantage, it would be the likes of Prometheus and Satan, because though we can run fast, have opposable thumbs, and can vocally communicate abstract ideas, without our tools and our ability to harness fire and electricity we wouldn't be much better off than the average orangutan.

Man is the dominant species
the program goes sour when we use that ability on each other

 

[Unveiled Artist]

maybe your question would work better if you rephrase to consider WHAT people point their finger at

No. Who. Because they stole the identity of two people. If you are still pointing at Sarah, and Sarah is a made up name for someone police can't verify their existence other than records but no trace of the people, who would you be pointing the finger at?

 

[Thief]

No. Who. Because they stole the identity of two people. If you are still pointing at Sarah, and Sarah is a made up name for someone police can't verify their existence other than records but no trace of the people, who would you be pointing the finger at?

not answering your question as you wrote it
it doesn't follow this thread

My God has no name
and people point to Him for the distress of this life

I say it's pointless to point
and possibly a spiritual suicide

 

[Dawnofhope]

Mo, I'm not asking the question if he exist, I already believe I know the answer to that, if you have read the bible right through you should already know what a madman he can be, come on now admit it.

Was He mad. No. Was He a highly effective military strategist? Yes. Did He know how to discipline and prepare the Hebrew people to achieve His purpose? Yes.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

not answering your question as you wrote it
it doesn't follow this thread

My God has no name
and people point to Him for the distress of this life

I say it's pointless to point
and possibly a spiritual suicide

I was honest about the question. No one has answered it because either they feel they are doubting god (one told me), another said he wasn't allowed to question god (on RF as well), and then another just said she was uncomfortable and left the conversation short.

I can't go on with a discussion if there is no clarification on both ends. I don't know what a god is. I have no idea of any notion of an entity. Instead of going around in circles, I rather clarify the issue.

If I were blaming god by pointing a finger, and I don't believe god exist, who (or if you like what) am I pointing the finger at?

Yes, people point fingers at god at times of distress. I wish I could address it but if people change topics or cut it short, it's hard to address the point when there is no clarification of the terms first.

 

[Thief]

I was honest about the question. No one has answered it because either they feel they are doubting god (one told me), another said he wasn't allowed to question god (on RF as well), and then another just said she was uncomfortable and left the conversation short.

I can't go on with a discussion if there is no clarification on both ends. I don't know what a god is. I have no idea of any notion of an entity. Instead of going around in circles, I rather clarify the issue.

If I were blaming god by pointing a finger, and I don't believe god exist, who (or if you like what) am I pointing the finger at?

Yes, people point fingers at god at times of distress. I wish I could address it but if people change topics or cut it short, it's hard to address the point when there is no clarification of the terms first.

you have set your question to fail
like a go button that turns the machine off

for clarity...the Almighty
in the scheme of superlatives......bigger, faster, stronger, most intelligent and greatly experienced
coupled with the power of creation......
stacked deck

 

[psychoslice]

Was He mad. No. Was He a highly effective military strategist? Yes. Did He know how to discipline and prepare the Hebrew people to achieve His purpose? Yes.

With all respect I say he manipulated them, and put fear into them to get his way, that's how I see it.