Evidence of Evolution that was presented but never addressed

[Evangelicalhumanist]

His words are a example of what I keep complaining about. He says the evidence is overwhelming, but he does not provide the evidence, To say that ll life forms, plant and animal are from a common ancestor is not only absurd, it refutes the laws of genetics.

Forgive me for saying so, but your "complaint" is the laziest it can possibly be! You will not go look at all the accumulated evidence, which is in hundreds of books and thousands of science papers. You want somebody to type up all of those thousands of papers right here.

Guess what -- nobody is going to do that for you. The rest of us are capable of doing the work we are interested in knowing about. If you are not, that's fine, but you have no legitimate complaint against anybody but yourself. In fact, quite a few people have provided you the direct pointers to where you can look, and you've chosen not to, by your own admission. Fine and dandy, but don't blame us.

Let's say the ToE guess of what the first life form was right, How did this life form with no bones, no need for bones and no gene for bones ever produce a kid with bones? How did it produce plant life. lt can't. Genetics will not allow it.

I ask you once again -- how is it that you, who are NOT a geneticist, are competent to tell all those who actually ARE geneticists, that they are wrong and you are right? How does NOT studying something make you more expert than those who actually DO study?

Or are you just a special genius?

 

[SkepticThinker]

You are clearly one of those who thinks mentioning something is is evidence.

Actually I'm one of those people that thinks providing demonstrable and observable evidence counts as evidence. I guess I'm crazy.

You should probably at least look at the evidence before dismissing it. But you've said you won't do that. Kind of hard to know what something is without looking at it.

I do have evidence but you cant understand it it.

Please provide your evidence that "Environment does not affect the cof the offspring and neither does a stressed mother, and you have no evidence of either one."

Not only do you not undetrstand genetics, you don' even know what constitutes evidence/

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Says the person who has repeatedly demonstrated that they are not up to date on the science and repeatedly claims that they will not look at evidence unless it's spoon fed to you. Even then you still won't acknowledge it. Your claims are demonstrably wrong - as demonstrated by multiple posters on the thread.

Go read up on epigenetics.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Talk is cheap, Post the evidence. I need good laugh.

That. Was. Already. Done.

Hence the reason we're now talking about it. Good grief.

 

[sayak83]

Actually I'm one of those people that thinks providing demonstrable and observable evidence counts as evidence. I guess I'm crazy.

You should probably at least look at the evidence before dismissing it. But you've said you won't do that. Kind of hard to know what something is without looking at it.



Please provide your evidence that "Environment does not affect the cof the offspring and neither does a stressed mother, and you have no evidence of either one."


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Says the person who has repeatedly demonstrated that they are not up to date on the science and repeatedly claims that they will not look at evidence unless it's spoon fed to you. Even then you still won't acknowledge it. Your claims are demonstrably wrong - as demonstrated by multiple posters on the thread.

Go read up on epigenetics.

Omega2 pointedly never replies to me since not only do I post links, I also paste and analyze the relevant sections of the evidence.
Evidence of Evolution that was presented but never addressed

 

[SkepticThinker]

I did some research on Dr. Collins and he has a mixed Christian view. He does believes in miracles but he does not think the laws on abortion should be changed. IMO that makes his claim to be a Bible-believeing Christian in doubt. Hope I am wrong, He is truly a brilliant man who even Atheist will listen to.

What does abortion have to do with Christianity??

 

[SkepticThinker]

Omega2 pointedly never replies to me since not only do I post links, I also paste and analyze the relevant sections of the evidence.
Evidence of Evolution that was presented but never addressed

Well that's interesting. Maybe I need to start doing that.

 

[omega2xx]

Forgive me for saying so, but your "complaint" is the laziest it can possibly be! You will not go look at all the accumulated evidence, which is in hundreds of books and thousands of science papers. You want somebody to type up all of those thousands of papers right here.

Evidently you have forgotten or ignored my reason for not checking links. The lazy ones are those who are not willing to cut and paste the evidence their link offers. On second thought they smart one.

Guess what -- nobody is going to do that for you. The rest of us are capable of doing the work we are interested in knowing about. If you are not, that's fine, but you have no legitimate complaint against anybody but yourself. In fact, quite a few people have provided you the direct pointers to where you can look, and you've chosen not to, by your own admission. Fine and dandy, but don't blame us. [/QUOTE]

That's fine.

I ask you once again -- how is it that you, who are NOT a geneticist, are competent to tell all those who actually ARE geneticists, that they are wrong and you are right? How does NOT studying something make you more expert than those who actually DO study?

Why aren't you? You keep saying are right but you don't even understand basic genetics.

Or are you just a special genius?

One only needs to have a 10 grade reading comprehension level to understand basic genetics. They also meed to understand what scientific is and that takes about 12th grade reading comprehension level.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

His words are a example of what I keep complaining about. He says the evidence is overwhelming, but he does not provide the evidence, To say that ll life forms, plant and animal are from a common ancestor is not only absurd, it refutes the laws of genetics.

Let's say the ToE guess of what the first life form was right, How did this life form with no bones, no need for bones and no gene for bones ever produce a kid with bones? How did it produce plant life. lt can't. Genetics will not allow it.



I am sure he is a Christian, but if he does not accept "after its kind," which rejects evolution, he is not a Bible-believing Christian. I bet he also rejects the flood Bible inerrancy, miracles and fulfilled prophecy.


What is threatened by scientific adventures is evolution not God. I am going to read some of your link to try and find out if he really is a Bible-believing Christian.



Do you really not understand that if there is no characteristic in the gene pool of the parents, they will NEVER have a kid with a characteristic not in the gene pool. There a re plenty of creation scientist as qualified as he is who reject what he says and they do it with science.



How arrogant and self-serving, and I have probably lived much longer than you have, if you picture is current.

Oh! The No True Scotsman Fallacy!

 

[omega2xx]

Actually I'm one of those people that thinks providing demonstrable and observable evidence counts as evidence. I guess I'm crazy.

You should probably at least look at the evidence before dismissing it. But you've said you don't do that. Kind of hard to know what something is without looking at it.

I have looked at links for over 20 year, the NEVER have any scientific evidence. Maybe it is you who needs o take another look

Please provide your evidence that "Environment does not affect the cof the offspring and either does a stressed mother, and you have no evidence of either one."

Some one said environment can cause a change of species. When they present their evidence, I will present mine.

Says the person who has repeatedly demonstrated that they are not up to date on the science and repeatedly claims that they will not look at evidence unless it's spoon fed to you. Even then you still won't acknowledge it. Your claims are demonstrably wrong - as demonstrated by multiple posters on the thread.

Go read up on epigenetics.

Show me how epigenetics can cause as change of species. You made the statement, back it up or admit you can't.

 

[omega2xx]

That. Was. Already. Done.

Hence the reason we're now talking about it. Good grief.

Hint: saying something is true does not make it true.

 

[omega2xx]

What does abortion have to do with Christianity??

What planet have you been living on? Christianity teaches that abortion is murder. They have a march every year proclaiming the truth.

 

[McBell]

Hint: saying something is true does not make it true.

Your transference is showing

 

[sayak83]

What planet have you been living on? Christianity teaches that abortion is murder. They have a march every year proclaiming the truth.

And why would the laws of the US reflect the views and moralities of one particular religion? Is it a theocracy?

 

[omega2xx]

And why would the laws of the US reflect the views and moralities of one particular religion? Is it a theocracy?

What is abortion really is murder? Then the views of a particular religion is not being shown favoritism.

 

[sayak83]

What is abortion really is murder? Then the views of a particular religion is not being shown favoritism.

What if cow killing is really 1st degree murder? Then the views of a particular religion is not being shown favoritism.

 

[omega2xx]

What if cow killing is really 1st degree murder? Then the views of a particular religion is not being shown favoritism.

We are not talking abut cows. There are no laws in America that killing a cow is not allowed.

 

[sayak83]

We are not talking abut cows. There are no laws in America that killing a cow is not allowed.

But there ought to be. Hindu scriptures clearly says that killing cows is murder more grievous than killing other humans. If Christian view of murder can be made into law, why not the Hindu view?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Evidently you have forgotten or ignored my reason for not checking links. The lazy ones are those who are not willing to cut and paste the evidence their link offers. On second thought they smart one.

No, in fact what you really mean is that we can't state what you call "the evidence" in 6 words of 1 syllable each. Oh, and also that we can't demonstrate a donkey giving birth to a tomato. Both are ridiculous, but I no longer think that you can understand why. Complex things require complex explanations. Minds that won't deal with complexity must, unfortunately, bypass those altogether because they won't understand them -- and especially if they won't actually read them.

And while you repeat the nonsense endlessly (without even being able to understand after being told it dozens of times) evolution does not say -- not anywhere, not anytime, not in any way -- that any parent can give birth to any offspring that is not very much like itself would result in the almost immediate death of that offspring. We all know that. You don't. We've told you that. You can neither hear nor understand it. You are completely tone deaf even to your own lack of ability to understand what you are being told, and yet you cannot help but insist (even though you don't know what it was) that it must be wrong.

To the moderators -- every word I have said here is absolutely and completely true, and therefore no calumny at all.

Why aren't you? You keep saying are right but you don't even understand basic genetics.

One only needs to have a 10 grade reading comprehension level to understand basic genetics. They also meed to understand what scientific is and that takes about 12th grade reading comprehension level.

This is either completely false -- and therefore a lie -- or you do not possess the education you've just touted. My understanding of "basic genetics" is by now provably (to every science-literate reader on this forum) immensely larger than yours. And in fact, you have made statements in this thread alone that make it abundantly clear that you really have very little idea at all of what genetics -- even "basic genetics" -- is actually about.

You are, in very point of fact, making your own level of ignorance on all these topics completely evident to all of us. And I'm sorry to see that. But I'm powerless to help those who sincerely desire not to be helped.

 

[omega2xx]

But there ought to be. Hindu scriptures clearly says that killing cows is murder more grievous than killing other humans. If Christian view of murder can be made into law, why not the Hindu view?

It is absurd to make the life of a cow more valuable than of a human. They even put the life of rats more valuable. Man is God's greatest creation. If you don't see the absurdity of that, there is little hope for you.

 

[omega2xx]

No, in fact what you really mean is that we can't state what you call "the evidence" in 6 words of 1 syllable each.

You have forgotten or ignored my other requirement---cut and paste what your link offered. Why is that so difficult. You complain about men not reading links, but I have a good reason. If you are to lazy to cut and paste, don't come whining to me.

Oh, and also that we can't demonstrate a donkey giving birth to a tomato. Both are ridiculous, but I no longer think that you can understand why. Complex things require complex explanations. Minds that won't deal with complexity must, unfortunately, bypass those altogether because they won't understand them -- and especially if they won't actually read them.

I HAVE READ THEM FOR 20+ YEARS. THE NEVER HAVE AN REAL SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.
The basics of genetics is not rocket surgery. Any 10 year old can understand the basic function of genes, except it seems those who put the faith in evolution. They have to invent ways for the laws of genetics not to operate as intelligently designed and that with no evidence. I think it is very telling that not one of you evo has cut and pasted the evidence from their link. You could end this today, if you would do it.

And while you repeat the nonsense endlessly (without even being able to understand after being told it dozens of times) evolution does not say -- not anywhere, not anytime, not in any way -- that any parent can give birth to any offspring that is not very much like itself would result in the almost immediate death of that offspring. We all know that. You don't. We've told you that. You can neither hear nor understand it. Y

ou are completely tone deaf even to your own lack of ability to understand what you are being told, and yet you cannot help but insist (even though you don't know what it was) that it must be wrong.

The real nonsense is that you would rather whine and complain instead of cutting and pasting. Unless you will do that , this discussion with you is over.

To the moderators -- every word I have said here is absolutely and completely true, and therefore no calumny at all.

You don't even understand that you saying something is true doe snot make it . Nothing is true without the evidence to support it.

This is either completely false -- and therefore a lie -- or you do not possess the education you've just touted. My understanding of "basic genetics" is by now provably (to every science-literate reader on this forum) immensely larger than yours. And in fact, you have made statements in this thread alone that make it abundantly clear that you really have very little idea at all of what genetics -- even "basic genetics" -- is actually about.

Your indoctrination is complete.

You are, in very point of fact, making your own level of ignorance on all these topics completely evident to all of us. And I'm sorry to see that. But I'm powerless to help those who sincerely desire not to be helped.

You are not powerless. You can cut and paste and show everyone how brilliant you are and how ignorant I am. The FACT you are unwilling is evidence you CAN'T. Remember, you saying something is true not evidence it is. You believing something is true is not evidence it is.


“Whatever their bodies do affects their souls. It is funny how mortals always picture us as putting things into their minds: in reality our best work is done by keeping things out...”
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters