Forgiving Satan

[rusra02]

No. What Satan does, he does willfully, and is totally unrepentant, IMO. The Bible reveals some sins are unforgivable. (Mark 3:29) Satan was perfect and chose to challenge God's sovereignty. In doing so, he lied to our first parents and caused them to bring sin and death to us all. Satan will be destroyed as the unrepentant murderer that he is. (Hebrews 2:14)

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I have a notion ....the Fallen want us dead
what then to forgive?

Meh. Satan's been trying to kill me off since the umbilical cord wrapped around my neck coming out. Still here, baby! WOOOT! LOL.

I got da mad skillz

No. What Satan does, he does willfully, and is totally unrepentant, IMO. The Bible reveals some sins are unforgivable.

ONE. Teasing you until you do in public what your heart loves in private is not that.

 

[EtuMalku]

How do you forgive something that doesn't objectively exist?

 

[EtuMalku]

No. What Satan does, he does willfully, and is totally unrepentant, IMO. The Bible reveals some sins are unforgivable. (Mark 3:29) Satan was perfect and chose to challenge God's sovereignty. In doing so, he lied to our first parents and caused them to bring sin and death to us all. Satan will be destroyed as the unrepentant murderer that he is. (Hebrews 2:14)

I have bad news for you;
-God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).

-God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. -He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3).

-He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6).

-In (Judges 21) He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead

-In (2 Kings 10:18-27) God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church!

Satan doesn't kill anyone directly
So, who really is the Evil here and in need of forgiving?

 

[rusra02]

I have bad news for you;
-God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).

-God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. -He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3).

-He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6).

-In (Judges 21) He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead

-In (2 Kings 10:18-27) God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church!

Satan doesn't kill anyone directly
So, who really is the Evil here and in need of forgiving?

That God executes the wicked is clear from the Bible record. Those "worshippers of a different God" were apostate Israelites who were in a solemn covenant with Jehovah that forbids the worship of other gods. Baal worship included depraved practices of sex orgies and child sacrifice, and other despicable conduct. Their false worship was open rebellion against the one true God and deserved retribution, IMO.
The destruction of the Canaanites too was well deserved. They practiced every form of sexual vice, were violent, and offered their children in fire to their false gods.
I am convinced that when Jehovah executes his judgments, they are always executed in righteousness.
As to Satan not killing anyone directly, that is simply false. He caused the deaths of Job's ten children, for just one example. Since Satan is "misleading the entire inhabited earth", IMO he is responsible for tens of millions of violent deaths. (Revelation 12:9)

 

[EtuMalku]

That God executes the wicked is clear from the Bible record. Those "worshippers of a different God" were apostate Israelites who were in a solemn covenant with Jehovah that forbids the worship of other gods. Baal worship included depraved practices of sex orgies and child sacrifice, and other despicable conduct. Their false worship was open rebellion against the one true God and deserved retribution, IMO.
The destruction of the Canaanites too was well deserved. They practiced every form of sexual vice, were violent, and offered their children in fire to their false gods.
I am convinced that when Jehovah executes his judgments, they are always executed in righteousness.
As to Satan not killing anyone directly, that is simply false. He caused the deaths of Job's ten children, for just one example. Since Satan is "misleading the entire inhabited earth", IMO he is responsible for tens of millions of violent deaths. (Revelation 12:9)

This must be the most horrendous display of Christian Apologetics I have ever witnessed . . . I don't even know where to begin with how WRONG everything you just said is. EVIL.

 

[Neo Deist]

Can you, as a Christian, forgive satan?

I liken this to charity without reservations. If you are only giving charity (asking forgiveness) for those who will not spend your money on alcohol (those who do not know what they've done), that's not charity.

If you are being a sacrifice to Christ and acting in charity, what is it between you and satan that satan doesn't earn your respect regardless of how he feels about it?

Forgive Satan for what?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Forgive Satan for what?

If you believe that satan caused sin in the world whether temptation or inherited and you find satan to be worse than humans, then forgiving him for his misdeeds and what he cause humanity would be the mark of a christian.

If you don't believe in satan or that concept of him, the question is irrelevant to you unless you have a different spin on it?

 

[Neo Deist]

If you believe that satan caused sin in the world whether temptation or inherited and you find satan to be worse than humans, then forgiving him for his misdeeds and what he cause humanity would be the mark of a christian.

Sure, I can forgive the man made, supernatural boogeyman for whatever it is that some hard right Christians claim he did, even though whatever he did was commanded by God, who is the supreme creator of the universe, and has the power to uncreate whatever might be a thorn in His divine side.

 

[psychoslice]

I don't know about forgiving him, but I would like to buy him a drink.

 

[Thief]

I don't know about forgiving him, but I would like to buy him a drink.

now ...picture that

for real

and then consider it may come your way

you buying?.....yes you are

 

[psychoslice]

now ...picture that

for real

and then consider it may come your way

you buying?.....yes you are

Well he certainly will deserve it after all the lies thrown on him, and all the blame he gets from self righteous Christians.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

That God executes the wicked is clear from the Bible record.

It's clear that the killers' side wrote the "history" anyway.

Baal worship included depraved practices of sex orgies and child sacrifice, and other despicable conduct. Their false worship was open rebellion against the one true God and deserved retribution, IMO.

The funny thing is, I've been reading up on Canaanite mythology for a book I'm writing. Yam/Yah/Yaweh was a god of the sea, killed off (several times) by Baal, who was the storm god and the one child of El (the Most High) who demanded to be set aside as King of the Gods, and it turns out his story (non-king of gods says that everyone else sucks and becomes king of gods after defeating crappy chaotic gods) sound suspiciously like the bible just took Baal, rewrote it as Yahweh, and moved on with their day. What if you've really been worshipping Baal instead?

The destruction of the Canaanites too was well deserved. They practiced every form of sexual vice, were violent, and offered their children in fire to their false gods.

Look how easy it is to demonize the "other" nowadays. Natives are even supposedly being locked in dog kennels and given Holocaust-like "tattoos" on their arms. Muslims are treated like they eat babies or something. Refugees are told they are destroying America just because they don't want to be murdered in their own country. Palestinian homes look like a cement and rock wasteland while Israel just goes about its day playing on their golf courses. Etc, etc.

 

[g2perk]

Satan I have no problem with, it's god who needs to earn forgiveness.

Gods needs forgiving. For what exactly.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Gods needs forgiving. For what exactly.

As Satan can do nothing without God's consent, the buck stops with God.

 

[rusra02]

Archeological discoveries gave confirmed the Bible's account of the Canaanites. Insight, vol 1 p. 403; "Added to their other degrading practices was that of child sacrifice. According to Merrill F. Unger: “Excavations in Palestine have uncovered piles of ashes and remains of infant skeletons in cemeteries around heathen altars, pointing to the widespread practice of this cruel abomination.” (Archaeology and the Old Testament, 1964, p. 279) Halley’s Bible Handbook (1964, p. 161) says: “Canaanites worshipped, by immoral indulgence, as a religious rite, in the presence of their gods; and then, by murdering their first-born children, as a sacrifice to these same gods. It seems that, in large measure, the land of Canaan had become a sort of Sodom and Gomorrah on a national scale. . . . Did a civilization of such abominable filth and brutality have any right longer to exist? . . . Archaeologists who dig in the ruins of Canaanite cities wonder that God did not destroy them sooner than he did.”

 

[g2perk]

As Satan can do nothing without God's consent, the buck stops with God.

Who is higher than God and therefore can Forgive Him.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Archaeologists who dig in the ruins of Canaanite cities wonder that God did not destroy them sooner than he did.”

That's a curious thing to say from an unbiased scholar, don't you think?

from the wiki here

It is considered virtually impossible to reconstruct a clear picture of Canaanite religious practices. Although child sacrifice was known to surrounding peoples there is no reference to it in ancient Phoenician or Classical texts. The biblical representation of Canaanite religion is always negative.[18]

Canaanite religious practice had a high regard for the duty of children to care for their parents, with sons being held responsible for burying them, and arranging for the maintenance of their tombs.[19]

 

[Thief]

Well he certainly will deserve it after all the lies thrown on him, and all the blame he gets from self righteous Christians.

oh....falsely accused?
Satan is not the adversary?

 

[Etritonakin]

How do you forgive something that doesn't objectively exist?

Hehehehehehehehehe

Hey! What did I ever do to you that you know about?