bible says god is immortal

[atpollard]

Bible says god is mortal

God doesn't die , no one can see


1 Timothy 6:16New International Version (NIV)
16 who alone is immortalA) and who lives in unapproachable light,B)" "> whom no one has seen or can see.

Jesus die and every one sew him according to bible. So he is not god.


This in your bible not my words

If you believe in bible , you shall believe in bible content

Turn the page, he resurrected Himself just in case there was any doubt that he really was God (according to our book that we believe).
You just stopped reading the story a little too soon (which is odd since you got all the way to 1 Timothy 6 and somehow missed the end of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.)

John Chapter 1 deals with the incarnation (the Word becoming flesh so we can see him.)

Mohammad (PBUH) says the Gospels are true.
You do not need to trust the modern translations, there are many copies in Greek and Latin from before the birth of your prophet if you wish to read the same Gospel that he heard/read.

[It is a small point, but God is ETERNAL = has no beginning or end ... not IMMORTAL = has a beginning, but will never die.]

 

[moorea944]

Turn the page, he resurrected Himself just in case there was any doubt that he really was God (according to our book that we believe).
You just stopped reading the story a little too soon (which is odd since you got all the way to 1 Timothy 6 and somehow missed the end of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.)

John Chapter 1 deals with the incarnation (the Word becoming flesh so we can see him.)

Mohammad (PBUH) says the Gospels are true.
You do not need to trust the modern translations, there are many copies in Greek and Latin from before the birth of your prophet if you wish to read the same Gospel that he heard/read.

[It is a small point, but God is ETERNAL = has no beginning or end ... not IMMORTAL = has a beginning, but will never die.]

Turn the page, he resurrected Himself just in case there was any doubt that he really was God (according to our book that we believe).

Can you give us a verse on that one? Because the scriptures tell us that God raised up Jesus. It doesnt say that God raised himself up.

John Chapter 1 deals with the incarnation (the Word becoming flesh so we can see him.)

Out of all of the words in the bible, I never understood on why people bring in others into their beliefs, like "incarnation". That is no where to be found. And John 1 does not talk about that at all. How do you get this incarnation thing out of John 1 anyhow......

 

[atpollard]

Can you give us a verse on that one?

"I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again." - Jesus
(find it for yourself, I am not doing all your leg work ... Hint: Direct quote from ESV.)

Out of all of the words in the bible, I never understood on why people bring in others into their beliefs, like "incarnation". That is no where to be found. And John 1 does not talk about that at all. How do you get this incarnation thing out of John 1 anyhow......

From John 1 ... "the Word was God" + "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" = incarnation

in·car·na·tion
ˌinkärˈnāSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: incarnation; plural noun: incarnations

1. 1.
   a person who embodies in the flesh a deity, spirit, or abstract quality.
   "Rama was Vishnu's incarnation on earth"
   synonyms: embodiment, personification, exemplification, type, epitome; More
   manifestation, bodily form, avatar
   "the incarnation of artistic genius"
   • (in Christian theology) the embodiment of God the Son in human flesh as Jesus Christ.
     noun: Incarnation; noun: the Incarnation
2. 2.
   (with reference to reincarnation) one of a series of lifetimes that a person spends on earth.
   "in my next incarnation, I'd like to be the Secretary of Fun"
   synonyms: lifetime, life, existence
   "a previous incarnation"

Because the scriptures tell us that God raised up Jesus. It doesnt say that God raised himself.

Now it is your turn to provide "the scriptures [which] tell us that God raised up Jesus".

 

[Ben Avraham]

1 - No, what was said was, "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die". God was right in saying that too. Adam did die.

2 - Why does Adam "have to " die as soon as he eats. God didnt say that. God said that he was die and he did.

3 - What was the serpents lie? He told them that they wouldnt die and then that your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods (Elohim or angels), knowing good and evil. That was a lie too.


Your completely missing the point. God commanded them not to do something and they broke that promise. They broke God's law. They sinned. There is no Catch-22 here at all.

1 - I think that the problem here is that I am using the JPS Jewish translation of the Bible and you the KJV or any other Christian translation. I prefer the Jewish translation. Besides, according to the translation you are using, "In the day that you eat
thereof, you shall surely die." Did they die in the day they ate of the tree of knowledge? No, they didn't. As you see, you got messed up trying to refute the Jewish translation of the Bible.

2 - He didn't have to die neither "soon after" nor "in the day they did." Why? Because it was a Catch-22.

3 - "As gods" not gods knowing good and evil. You have got to focus when you read. No offense meant.

 

[Ben Avraham]

First of all, it wasn't just "the tree of knowledge". It was a specific kind of knowledge that this tree represented. It was knowledge that God deemed to be unnecessary to humans and even detrimental to them. It was knowledge that God wanted to keep to himself, but as free willed beings, they had to decide whether they would respect God's property and his law or whether they would disobey his direct command and rebel. Was the devil lying? Would they become "like God, knowing good and bad"? Would they die as God said? Or live as the devil promised?
We all know what they chose to do and what the consequences were. Being "dead" to God can mean being out of his divine favor. Adam and his wife "died" to God on that day.....and no human has lived more than "a day" in God's estimation of time. (2 Peter 3:8)

Ephesians 2:1-3 NET
"And although you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you formerly lived according to this world’s present path, according to the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the ruler of the spirit that is now energizing the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom all of us also formerly lived out our lives in the cravings of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath even as the rest…"

In God's original purpose, man was designed to live forever.....this is not immortality, but life everlasting. Immortal beings cannot die. Mortal beings were given the opportunity of never dying. They were provided with everything they needed to physically keep living. There was no death mentioned in Eden EXCEPT as a penalty for disobedience. The "tree of life" was their guarantee that they would never die. Being barred from that tree meant that sin would eventually take their life....and there was nothing they could do to prevent death from overtaking them. Jesus came to rescue Adam's children from that death sentence and restore what Adam lost for them.....everlasting life.

"Not old enough to die"? They were not created to die...EVER! There is no 'program' for death in humankind. It is as unnatural to us today as it was to Adam and his wife. Being made in God's image means that we too can live and serve our God for as long as we live.....for eternity.

Not understanding the difference between "everlasting life" and "immortality" leads people off on a wrong tangent.

Right! No one is born to die. One dies because he was born period. Immortality by definition is to be immune to death and, no one is. Every one dies since the day of the first one who died.

 

[moorea944]

"I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again." - Jesus
(find it for yourself, I am not doing all your leg work ... Hint: Direct quote from ESV.)



From John 1 ... "the Word was God" + "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" = incarnation

in·car·na·tion
ˌinkärˈnāSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: incarnation; plural noun: incarnations

1. 1.
   a person who embodies in the flesh a deity, spirit, or abstract quality.
   "Rama was Vishnu's incarnation on earth"
   synonyms: embodiment, personification, exemplification, type, epitome; More
   manifestation, bodily form, avatar
   "the incarnation of artistic genius"
   • (in Christian theology) the embodiment of God the Son in human flesh as Jesus Christ.
     noun: Incarnation; noun: the Incarnation
2. 2.
   (with reference to reincarnation) one of a series of lifetimes that a person spends on earth.
   "in my next incarnation, I'd like to be the Secretary of Fun"
   synonyms: lifetime, life, existence
   "a previous incarnation"

Now it is your turn to provide "the scriptures [which] tell us that God raised up Jesus".

From John 1 ... "the Word was God" + "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" = incarnation

Completely wrong. What is the "word" in John 1? It is the word of God. The "logos" in Greek. Meaning, someone's plans, thoughts, reasons... In the beginning, God. God's spoke and it was done. God's word. His plans, His thoughts, His reasons. That was in the beginning. It is NOT talking about Jesus. Jesus begins in verse 14. And the word or God's plans became flesh or real with his son. God works "through" Jesus. Dont forget that. God manifestation right there.

Now it is your turn to provide "the scriptures [which] tell us that God raised up Jesus".

Wow, ok. That's easy.

Acts 2. What did the apostles believe in? "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses"

"Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it."

Acts 3 "Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities."

"And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses."

Acts 4 "Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole."

Acts 5 "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree"

Acts 10 "Him God raised up the third day, and showed him openly;"

Acts 13 "But God raised him from the dead:"

And these are just a few verses.....

You see, it was God who raised up His son. God is the God AND Father of Jesus too.

Question... If Jesus was dead, how could he have raised himself up from death?
He couldnt, but his father could have and did. God didnt die, Jesus did.

 

[atpollard]

Acts 2. What did the apostles believe in? "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses"

Acts 2:32 uses "Theos" (G2316) which in this context means:

II. the Godhead, trinity
A. God the Father, the first person in the trinity
B. Christ, the second person of the trinity
C. Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity

Making it an indefinite declaration as to which part of the Triune Godhead did the work and most likely ascribing credit and glory to the full Godhead. This does not contradict John 10:18.

(Sorry, I don't have time to look all of your verses up right now. Are any clearly speaking of the Father and not the Godhead?)

 

[atpollard]

Completely wrong. What is the "word" in John 1? It is the word of God. The "logos" in Greek. Meaning, someone's plans, thoughts, reasons... In the beginning, God. God's spoke and it was done. God's word. His plans, His thoughts, His reasons. That was in the beginning. It is NOT talking about Jesus. Jesus begins in verse 14. And the word or God's plans became flesh or real with his son. God works "through" Jesus. Don't forget that. God manifestation right there.

OK, you are a non-Trinitarian.
No problem.
Have a nice day until you figure out that Jesus was eternally God.
('cause we are getting nowhere until then).

 

[moorea944]

Acts 2:32 uses "Theos" (G2316) which in this context means:

II. the Godhead, trinity
A. God the Father, the first person in the trinity
B. Christ, the second person of the trinity
C. Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity

Making it an indefinite declaration as to which part of the Triune Godhead did the work and most likely ascribing credit and glory to the full Godhead. This does not contradict John 10:18.

(Sorry, I don't have time to look all of your verses up right now. Are any clearly speaking of the Father and not the Godhead?)

Is the trinity found in the Godhead in 1 Cor 11v3? I dont think so. The trinity is false doctrine and it is man made. Has nothing to do with scripture.. Sorry

 

[moorea944]

OK, you are a non-Trinitarian.
No problem.
Have a nice day until you figure out that Jesus was eternally God.
('cause we are getting nowhere until then).

lol ok. The trinity is found nowhere in scripture. Scripture is clear on that.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

First of all, it wasn't just "the tree of knowledge". It was a specific kind of knowledge that this tree represented. It was knowledge that God deemed to be unnecessary to humans and even detrimental to them. It was knowledge that God wanted to keep to himself, but as free willed beings, they had to decide whether they would respect God's property and his law or whether they would disobey his direct command and rebel. Was the devil lying? Would they become "like God, knowing good and bad"? Would they die as God said? Or live as the devil promised?
We all know what they chose to do and what the consequences were. Being "dead" to God can mean being out of his divine favor. Adam and his wife "died" to God on that day.....and no human has lived more than "a day" in God's estimation of time. (2 Peter 3:8)

Ephesians 2:1-3 NET
"And although you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you formerly lived according to this world’s present path, according to the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the ruler of the spirit that is now energizing the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom all of us also formerly lived out our lives in the cravings of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath even as the rest…"



In God's original purpose, man was designed to live forever.....this is not immortality, but life everlasting. Immortal beings cannot die. Mortal beings were given the opportunity of never dying. They were provided with everything they needed to physically keep living. There was no death mentioned in Eden EXCEPT as a penalty for disobedience. The "tree of life" was their guarantee that they would never die. Being barred from that tree meant that sin would eventually take their life....and there was nothing they could do to prevent death from overtaking them. Jesus came to rescue Adam's children from that death sentence and restore what Adam lost for them.....everlasting life.



"Not old enough to die"? They were not created to die...EVER! There is no 'program' for death in humankind. It is as unnatural to us today as it was to Adam and his wife. Being made in God's image means that we too can live and serve our God for as long as we live.....for eternity.

Not understanding the difference between "everlasting life" and "immortality" leads people off on a wrong tangent.

I had a lot to say about it even a little more but .. I was gonna let the poster think about that for a second.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

First of all, it wasn't just "the tree of knowledge". It was a specific kind of knowledge that this tree represented. It was knowledge that God deemed to be unnecessary to humans and even detrimental to them. It was knowledge that God wanted to keep to himself, but as free willed beings, they had to decide whether they would respect God's property and his law or whether they would disobey his direct command and rebel. Was the devil lying? Would they become "like God, knowing good and bad"? Would they die as God said? Or live as the devil promised?
We all know what they chose to do and what the consequences were. Being "dead" to God can mean being out of his divine favor. Adam and his wife "died" to God on that day.....and no human has lived more than "a day" in God's estimation of time. (2 Peter 3:8)

Ephesians 2:1-3 NET
"And although you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you formerly lived according to this world’s present path, according to the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the ruler of the spirit that is now energizing the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom all of us also formerly lived out our lives in the cravings of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath even as the rest…"



In God's original purpose, man was designed to live forever.....this is not immortality, but life everlasting. Immortal beings cannot die. Mortal beings were given the opportunity of never dying. They were provided with everything they needed to physically keep living. There was no death mentioned in Eden EXCEPT as a penalty for disobedience. The "tree of life" was their guarantee that they would never die. Being barred from that tree meant that sin would eventually take their life....and there was nothing they could do to prevent death from overtaking them. Jesus came to rescue Adam's children from that death sentence and restore what Adam lost for them.....everlasting life.



"Not old enough to die"? They were not created to die...EVER! There is no 'program' for death in humankind. It is as unnatural to us today as it was to Adam and his wife. Being made in God's image means that we too can live and serve our God for as long as we live.....for eternity.

Not understanding the difference between "everlasting life" and "immortality" leads people off on a wrong tangent.

letting the poster think for a second.

 

[Deeje]

letting the poster think for a second.

I have been thinking for the last 45 years.....what would you like me to think about?

I would like to engage with you in some meaningful dialogue, but unfortunately your posts do not make a lot of sense to me...sorry.

 

[Deeje]

Right! No one is born to die. One dies because he was born period.

Can you show me where Adam was ever told that he would die of old age or sickness or any "natural" cause? The only time death was mentioned in Eden was as a punishment for disobedience...breaking the only command there was that carried a death penalty.

The "tree of life" which was also in the garden, was a guarantee of unending life as long as they were obedient.
When they disobeyed, access to the one thing in the garden that could keep them alive, was denied....permanently. They lost their paradise home and their relationship with their Creator.....Jesus came so that their children, trapped in an endless cycle of sin and death, could get it all back.

Being granted "everlasting life" is not "immortality". Mortal beings could have lived forever, because originally, there was no natural cause of death.
Immortality literally means that a being cannot die from any cause. Being "mortal" means that we CAN die....NOT that we HAVE to.

Immortality by definition is to be immune to death and, no one is. Every one dies since the day of the first one who died.

You have that all wrong. Everyone dies because of Adam's losing his sinless status and passing that onto his children.
Sin was introduced by him and passed on like a genetic defect...it is sin that causes death.

No sin = no death.

 

[james2ko]

Bible says god is mortal

God doesn't die , no one can see


1 Timothy 6:16New International Version (NIV)
16 who alone is immortalA) and who lives in unapproachable light,B)" "> whom no one has seen or can see.

Jesus die and every one sew him according to bible. So he is not god.


This in your bible not my words

If you believe in bible , you shall believe in bible content

The Father is the only One who meets all the criteria in 1 Tim 6:15-16.

 

[12jtartar]

james2ko,
You are absolutely correct!! Anyone who does not believe what the Bible says cannot be a Christian. Nominal Christians teach all kinds of doctrines that are not in the Holy Scriptures.
Remember, the Bible tells us that there is one Faith, one hope, Ephesians 4:3-6. If it is the only true religion that God blesses and accepts, it will not have Leaven, untruths in it, and there are NO divisions, they get their truth only from the Bible.

 

[ukok102nak]

Bible says god is mortal

God doesn't die , no one can see


1 Timothy 6:16New International Version (NIV)
16 who alone is immortalA) and who lives in unapproachable light,B)" "> whom no one has seen or can see.

Jesus die and every one sew him according to bible. So he is not god.


This in your bible not my words

If you believe in bible , you shall believe in bible content

~;> thats why believe
what is talkin inside the flesh and
not the flesh
for when christjesus took the form of a human being
eventhough
that he is the only begotten of son of god
our lord and saviour
he is willing to be a salvation unto all humans in this reality
as it is written
:read:
Philippians 2:5
Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied himself, taking the form of ae servant, being made in the likeness of men;
8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death, yea, the death of the cross.

the very reason of this is
so as it is written
:read:
Hebrews 2:14
Since then the children are sharers in flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner partook of the same; that through death he might bring to nought him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 and might deliver all them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

as what we've said
thats why believed
what is talkin inside the flesh and
not the flesh
coz when it comes to
the written words of god
for those who believed in what the flesh is speakin is somekind of having a relationship unto
a system of biblical interpretation taught by man
such as
even try to stick unto one verse only
and then make some conclusion
without searching ALL the very
written of words of god in the scripture


:ty:




godbless
unto all always

 

[whirlingmerc]

Bible says god is mortal

God doesn't die , no one can see


1 Timothy 6:16New International Version (NIV)
16 who alone is immortalA) and who lives in unapproachable light,B)" "> whom no one has seen or can see.

Jesus die and every one sew him according to bible. So he is not god.


This in your bible not my words

If you believe in bible , you shall believe in bible content

Jesus was fully God and fully man, two natures welded together in one person
In his humanity he could die
In his divinity he did not die and could raise himself
and this is how John 2 reads 'tear down this temple and in 3 days I will raise it again'
the temple being his body, in his humanity dying
In his divine nature which did not and could not die he raised himself

 

[Muffled]

Bible says god is mortal

God doesn't die , no one can see


1 Timothy 6:16New International Version (NIV)
16 who alone is immortalA) and who lives in unapproachable light,B)" "> whom no one has seen or can see.

Jesus die and every one sew him according to bible. So he is not god.


This in your bible not my words

If you believe in bible , you shall believe in bible content

I believe if you looked at Jesus and didn't see God it is because you can't see God.

I believe if you looked at the death of Jesus and thought God died you were wrong.

I believe according to the Qu'ran that He didn't die but just his body died as it appeared.

I believe everyone saw His body.

I do and that is why I believe Jesus is GOd in the flesh.

 

[Muffled]

Thank you for passing

Christian believe jesus is god and God died ( jesus is died ) while there book says god doesn't die / immortal

.

I don't believe I know any Christian who believes that.

I believe that is because the Word of God says so.