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The Threat of Creationism

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Actually it is hurting children education.

Creationism should not be taught in science classrooms of public schools, because creationism (as well as Intelligent Design) isn't science.

If you want to children to learn creationism, then take them to Sunday school, or enrolled them in theology subject.
I am not for teaching creationism in a science class. But to mention it as a competing theory is not that terrible and might actually help kids to think about the issue and help science rid unscientific thinking in the end. And you have to look pretty hard to find some state or textbook in which even includes this as a competing theory.

I think my point is I see that this as a theoretical debate between the two sides with very little practical importance. To call it the "Threat of Creationism' (as in the OP title) is overblown and I think this is more a pet issue of people that don't like religion period. I feel no threat to society.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Are you suggesting that the supporters of evolution and against the teaching of creationism are " anti-religionists"?


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No. I am just saying the most vehement ones on this issue are typically anti-religion people; like Skwim perhaps:).
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
Well, it's these types of viewpoints that make me think that neo-Darwinism is more of a religion than a science.

I think that comparing Darwinism to religion is a little unfair... to religion. I think Darwinists would need to at least acknowledge their faith in their beliefs, to rise to the level of religion. As is it's more of a superstition?
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
What do you mean by ''impossible?''
Well truth is truth, but it doesn't make anything that is impossible truth, just because you believe in a god that made everything doesn't make that truth, you need a lot more than a mere belief, you need at least some proof, which there isn't in the case of creationist beliefs.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
No. I am just saying the most vehement ones on this issue are typically anti-religion people; like Skwim perhaps:).
I honestly don't see any correlation between vehement evolutionists and being "anti-religion." Moi! Anti-religion??? Not at all. I recognize its necessity among those who need it to better get through life. And any "anti" sentiment I may project is only my attempt to correct those who, IMO, are being irrational in their religious assertions.


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gnostic

The Lost One
I am not for teaching creationism in a science class. But to mention it as a competing theory is not that terrible and might actually help kids to think about the issue and help science rid unscientific thinking in the end. And you have to look pretty hard to find some state or textbook in which even includes this as a competing theory.
Have you ever being in science classes, George?

If you have, then you would know or should know that whatever you learn, be that physics, chemistry or biology, you already have enough on your plate, without learning something that not science.

Creationism is not science, so it is a competing "scientific theory". Creationism is solely based on some religions, and some religious myths (note that not all religions have creation myths).

The Genesis creation is nothing more than allegory and myth, without any real understanding of how nature work, because the creation myth is nothing more than "God did it" superstition. How is believing in the Genesis Creator deity any better than believing in myths of the Sumerian Enlil and Enki, or the Greek Zeus, or the Norse Odin, or the Hindu Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, or the Shinto Izanagi and Izanami?

Seriously, if people has to learn Judaeo-Christian God in science classroom, then would it be fair to omit Greek, Babylonian and Hindu creation stories? Where does it end?

If we were to allow for every creation myths in the science classrooms, then teachers would no longer be teaching science, instead you would have a class for comparative religions or comparative mythology?

Instead of teaching biology, you would be telling how some all-powerful being creating man from dust. Is biology in the business of teaching baseless mythology?

If kids want to learn religion, then let them enrol in subject on religion or theology. Creationism and Intelligent Design are not science, and have no place being taught as one.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I think that comparing Darwinism to religion is a little unfair... to religion. I think Darwinists would need to at least acknowledge their faith in their beliefs, to rise to the level of religion. As is it's more of a superstition?

Yeah, never mind that insurmountable mountain of evidence.

Ya know, if you have an aversion to science, you might want to step away from that computer, or from any sort of technology for that matter.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
I think that comparing Darwinism to religion is a little unfair... to religion. I think Darwinists would need to at least acknowledge their faith in their beliefs, to rise to the level of religion. As is it's more of a superstition?
Believing in man being magically created from dust, requires faith in such absurd superstition.

Believing in a serpent that can talk in human language, requires faith in superstition.

Believing in Jesus capable of walking on water, or heal blindness or diseases with either touch of hand or saying a few words, are based on faith and superstition.

Believing in demons that can possess someone, required both faith and belief in superstition.

You, guy, have no understanding what superstition or faith means, even when it is right front of your face.
 

Mickdrew

Member
You've never heard the term Neo-Darwinism before? Or is it just that you cannot spell it?

Out of curiosity, do you live under a rock?

The term neo-Darwinism was first used by George Romanes, a Canadian-English evolutionary biologist and physiologist, in 1895. The term is found in the Encyclopædia Britannica, although perhaps I shouldn't expect you to know what that is either.

The late Lynn Margulis, an American evolutionary theorist, defined the term thus: "Neo-Darwinism is an attempt to reconcile Mendelian genetics, which says that organisms do not change with time, with Darwinism, which claims they do."
It does not matter what terms you throw at me.

They do not apply.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I don't see where a pushback is even necessary. If people want to believe in old-school creationism it is not hurting anyone else.
Unless those people live in isolated, self-sustained colonies that never interact with larger society, that is not even conceivably true.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Unless those people live in isolated, self-sustained colonies that never interact with larger society, that is not even conceivably true.
Why? How often does the creationist/evolutionist debate come into play in everyday life? They can live just fine in mainstream society.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Why? How often does the creationist/evolutionist debate come into play in everyday life? They can live just fine in mainstream society.
Hardly. Their rejection of scientific knowledge forfeits that right and makes them an undue burden to society.
 
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