The Trinity makes no sense to me. Please Explain....

[anonymous9887]

What I have seen and observed by attending Kingdom Hall many a time, they are fixed on the Watch Tower magazine, not ready to listen anything else.
Regards

Actually all is based on the bible. There is more to it. But I can tell you I'm a very serious student.

 

[paarsurrey]

Well I will have to admit there are many that go with the flow in my group, as in all religions.
I have talked to 100s (with an increasing number daily)of people that really have little education on religion or no personal study at all. I always encourage people to do a thorough search and the bible encourages us to do so.
Proverbs 14:15
Acts 17:3,11
1 Thessalonians 5:21
And so many other passages.
The members of my group though know there scripture very well.
But you are a Muslim and I know most muslims also are very dedicated.
But we have plenty of valid scholarship out there.

That (magenta) is quite encouraging.
Regards

 

[anonymous9887]

That (magenta) is quite encouraging.
Regards

Part of seeking truth is being honest with yourself.

 

[paarsurrey]

The Trinity makes no sense to me. Please Explain....

Trinity had never ever had any sense to anybody not even to the Christian clergy, it is for this that they declared it a mystery .
Jesus could never name Trinity what to speak of explaining it. Right?
Regards

 

[Subhankar Zac]

In Hinduism, there's the trinity responsible for each aspect of matter.
Brahma- Who "creates"
Vishnu- who maintains the cosmos and everything in it.
Shiva- who destroys and transforms it into another form for Brahma to create.
The female trinity is the aspects needed to live life.
Saraswati- The one who gives Arts and education.
Lakshmi- the one who gives wealth and prosperity.
Shakti- the one who gives strength. Also the primeval energy that shapes the universe.

But at the end all 3 male forms are part of the SINGLe universal consciousness that is unchanging and beyond this universe.
The 3 female deities are part of a single cosmic energy that is primeval but dynamic that shapes the universe called Prakriti
Some Prakriti as a part of Purusha others believe them to be independent of each other.

The Christian trinity is though, is hard for me to understand too.
That's why I left it.

 

[Desert Snake]

In Hinduism, there's the trinity responsible for each aspect of matter.
Brahma- Who "creates"
Vishnu- who maintains the cosmos and everything in it.
Shiva- who destroys and transforms it into another form for Brahma to create.
The female trinity is the aspects needed to live life.
Saraswati- The one who gives Arts and education.
Lakshmi- the one who gives wealth and prosperity.
Shakti- the one who gives strength. Also the primeval energy that shapes the universe.

But at the end all 3 male forms are part of the SINGLe universal consciousness that is unchanging and beyond this universe.
The 3 female deities are part of a single cosmic energy that is primeval but dynamic that shapes the universe called Prakriti
Some Prakriti as a part of Purusha others believe them to be independent of each other.

The Christian trinity is though, is hard for me to understand too.
That's why I left it.

You were a 'Christian', for how long?

 

[Subhankar Zac]

You were a 'Christian', for how long?

I went to a Catholic school for 14 years and I liked the message of compassion and love they preached.
So, I was practicing it informally since I was 11-13.
I converted to an UFMCC church which is an LGBT inclusive church in 2012 and practiced the faith for 1.5 years before I turned to atheism again.

 

[paarsurrey]

In Hinduism, there's the trinity responsible for each aspect of matter.
Brahma- Who "creates"
Vishnu- who maintains the cosmos and everything in it.
Shiva- who destroys and transforms it into another form for Brahma to create.
The female trinity is the aspects needed to live life.
Saraswati- The one who gives Arts and education.
Lakshmi- the one who gives wealth and prosperity.
Shakti- the one who gives strength. Also the primeval energy that shapes the universe.

But at the end all 3 male forms are part of the SINGLe universal consciousness that is unchanging and beyond this universe.
The 3 female deities are part of a single cosmic energy that is primeval but dynamic that shapes the universe called Prakriti
Some Prakriti as a part of Purusha others believe them to be independent of each other.

The Christian trinity is though, is hard for me to understand too.
That's why I left it.

Is there anything called Jesus-the-Christian-god in Hindu-Trinity? They say Christian-religion is universal.
Regards

 

[Subhankar Zac]

Is there anything called Jesus-the-Christian-god in Hindu-Trinity? They say Christian-religion is universal.
Regards

No one says Christianity is universal. Hinduism is universal.
Jesus doesn't appear in Hindu pantheon

 

[Muffled]

I think most professed Christians who believe in the trinity do so because they accept what their church teaches without examining what the Scriptures teach. I find many who profess to believe the trinity will agree that Jesus and God are not the same, and that Jesus is not equal to God.

I believe I did not pick up the Trinity from teaching but from the sharing with a fellow believer who definitely was going by a church teaching but the Holy Spirit showed me the truth. When I revealed that truth to him he got angry and turned me in to the authorities for having an unorthodox view. A supervisor came to examine me and found nothing wrong with my beliefs but maybe he didn't go deep enough, lol.

 

[Muffled]

The Trinity makes no sense to me. Please Explain....

Trinity never made any sense to Jesus and Mary, they never believed in it. It is a wrong concept with no mystery in it or no reality in it. Right?
Regards

I believe you ought to get something right for a change. This isn't it.

 

[Muffled]

1. I don't believe in the false doctrine of the trinity.
2. The trinity means that there are 3 person that share the being of god.
3. All 3 persons are fully god and they are equal and eternal.
4. So Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH is basically 3 persons. So there is 3 persons in the being of god.
5. God is one being, gods being consists of 3 persons.

I believe you ought to explain better which doctrine you are talking about. The one according to the Nicene creed is true. The one according to the Athanasian creed has problems.

 

[anonymous9887]

I believe you ought to explain better which doctrine you are talking about. The one according to the Nicene creed is true. The one according to the Athanasian creed has problems.

This is modern scholar ship.
Explain your view.

 

[firedragon]

Actually all is based on the bible. There is more to it. But I can tell you I'm a very serious student.

You are a nice person and you deserve respect for your humility. Im pretty sure of that.

But I must say with all honesty that though you are a very serious student of the bible, your biblical knowledge is very limited. I feel that you learn the bible or about the bible from your church or congregation patrons alone.

 

[firedragon]

I studied the trinity with an open mind, but never found it in the bible.
The best modern day scholar that could explain it best in my opinion is Dr james white

James White is more evangelical than scholarly. Hi has studied but is not analytical.

You should follow Bauckham, Bruce and Meyer.

If you like evangelical type scholars even Daniel Wallace is highly qualified and is deep in his exegesis.

I put James White and Jay Smith in the same basket. They have not even gone deep into collating manuscripts and into honest scriptural criticism. Wallace is a very pro Trinitarian scholar, but he is more qualified and has much less nonsense in his work.

 

[anonymous9887]

You are a nice person and you deserve respect for your humility. Im pretty sure of that.

But I must say with all honesty that though you are a very serious student of the bible, your biblical knowledge is very limited. I feel that you learn the bible or about the bible from your church or congregation patrons alone.

I respect your opinion, but I have debates with other sects in christendom and they can't hold there own on their false teachings. So give me an example of where I was found lacking. Give me a reference.

 

[anonymous9887]

You are a nice person and you deserve respect for your humility. Im pretty sure of that.

But I must say with all honesty that though you are a very serious student of the bible, your biblical knowledge is very limited. I feel that you learn the bible or about the bible from your church or congregation patrons alone.

Also with all due respect for most charges you brought I provided an answer in plain black and white, no going around it. I had to ask you muslims multiple times the same question to get a reply. If I missed a reply it was because there was so many I didn't keep up, but an answer has been provided each time. As with all due respect I asked you questions and you went around it many times. So please let's Continue if you wish. Some reasonable answers I gave were not even acknowledged, I think that you guys would never bring yourself to admit a Christian made a nice reply, as for me only one of you muslims gave a real sensible reply without beating around the bush.

 

[Jabar]

I studied the trinity with an open mind, but never found it in the bible.
The best modern day scholar that could explain it best in my opinion is Dr james white

Last time i checked, he got exposed by Ayoob Karim.

 

[anonymous9887]

Last time i checked, he got exposed by Ayoob Karim.

What was the question that stumbled james white and I'll tell you if it's true.

 

[anonymous9887]

Last time i checked, he got exposed by Ayoob Karim.

Plus to be very frank you guys are not without bias. What ever muslim scholar may say is good. You guys see zakir naik as a god and yet he was also put to shame with his own words.