If I wanted to test magic's effectiveness how would I go about it?
I would recommend first a good study of the book "Condensed Chaos" by Phil Hine, an introduction to practical chaos magick.
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If I wanted to test magic's effectiveness how would I go about it?
If I wanted to test magic's effectiveness how would I go about it?
If I wanted to test magic's effectiveness how would I go about it?
I'd say you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell. Magic involves producing results, whether internal or external, by mental effort. That effort will not be forthcoming without belief. If you go through the motions of a ritual "to see if it works", it won't.If I wanted to test magic's effectiveness how would I go about it?
A key component that I have learned from an author is that you must have a "will, desire, and a belief." In my own viewpoint I view desire to be an important component in magic.I'd say you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell. Magic involves producing results, whether internal or external, by mental effort. That effort will not be forthcoming without belief. If you go through the motions of a ritual "to see if it works", it won't.
I'd say you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell. Magic involves producing results, whether internal or external, by mental effort. That effort will not be forthcoming without belief. If you go through the motions of a ritual "to see if it works", it won't.
Magic takes practice trust me, It even takes a while for the practitioner to get the hang of it. Magic also includes studying like studying in school, I would recommend you to read some books from various authors and to take notes on whichever form of magic whether be it initiatory or ritual, whichever may suit you. I would not recommend books by aleister crowley his books are far more advanced and boring and hard to condense, most of his books are mainly stories or based on his advanced practices and other things etc. The book that I would recommend would be Luciferian Witchcraft by Michael W. Ford his grimoire contains many initiatory rituals based on sethian initiatory magic and other forms of magic as well. (Another note) Magic includes focus and imagination and visualization. If you are willing to practice magic I would recommend you to utilize the 5 senses such as sight, hear, touch, smell, and taste. The 5 physical senses I consider to be a key ingredient in magic.
I'd say you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell. Magic involves producing results, whether internal or external, by mental effort. That effort will not be forthcoming without belief. If you go through the motions of a ritual "to see if it works", it won't.
I hope you know there are more than 5 physical senses......
Actually there are six senses, the sense of sight, sound, smell, taste, touch, and in humans there is the heightened sense of Self.
With respect to this DIR, what "science has proven" is not particularly relevant. Let's bear in mind where we are on the forums, yes? I don't agree with what they said either, but this isn't the place for that debate.
I'm saying if you want to continue being contrarian, you need to take it out of a DIR. "Like it or not that is the facts" is contrarian, debate-prompting content that is not appropriate for a DIR.
I am asking if the above statement is accurate.
In my opinion, the sciences do not undermine spellcraft/magic in the least. Adramelek was speaking to their own perspective on these matters, and it's a perspective that is not shared by all practitioners. Responding to their post in the manner you did isn't particularly DIR appropriate either, as instead of aiming to better understand another perspective, that is simply a criticism. If you want to discuss this topic in an area where you can throw out criticisms and contrarian remarks like "I hope you know there are more than 5 senses" and "like it or not that is the facts," you need to not make these threads in DIR areas where such things are not allowed. Staff can move threads upon request if you ask us.
I hope this is in the right DIR. I've heard many people in this forum that say they 'practice magic'. What exactly is magic? How do they practice it? I thought it was the stuff of fairy tales. Answering these questions will expand my worldview for the better!
I'm not interested in magic, just interested in the people that do.