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An execution of wounded by Israeli soldier !
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Poisonshady313
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http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/ID...rorist-acted-alone-investigation-finds-449201
"A Kifir Brigade soldier who fired on a Palestinian knife attacker that had already been shot and wounded did so alone, and did not receive any orders to open fire from officers on the scene, an initial IDF investigation found on Friday.
The soldier is in Military Police custody after firing on the downed attacker in Hebron on Thursday. An investigation carried out by OC Central Command, Maj.-Gen. Roni Numa, on Friday morning found that the soldier arrived at the scene of a knife attack by two Palestinians after it had ended.
During the attack, the assailants stabbed an IDF soldier twice, inuring him, before being shot by other soldiers on the scene. One attacker was killed and the other lay on the ground, seriously injured.
Six minutes after the incident ended, the soldier arrived, and decided by himself to fire on the wounded Palestinian assailant, an IDF source said, citing Numa's investigation results.
Two platoon commanders and a company commander were rebuked by the the commander of the Kfir Brigade for failing to provide medical treatment to the wounded attacker, and for not evacuating him to hospital. None of the officers expected the soldier to open fire on the wounded Palestinian, the source said.
"Over the past six months, we have provided medical treatment to 170 Palestinians, many of them assailants. These are military instructions, and this is our norm. From the moment we take control of the situation, we treat Palestinian wounded, and evacuate them to hospital," the source said."
Commenting on the incident on Friday, IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Gadi Eisenkot said the military will back soldiers who made mistakes, but will not back those who deliberately violate the IDF's rules of engagement and ethics.
Eisenkot added that an "impassioned dialogue will not be helpful for a determined, professional military. There is a very significant difference between supporting soldiers, and backing those who violate IDF orders and norms."
A volunteer for the NGO B'Tselem, who lives near the scene of the incident, filmed the shooting from the window of his home. It was posted online and immediately went viral on Thursday, fueling condemnations from the left and right.
"The IDF expects its soldiers to behave with composure and in accordance with the rules of engagement," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement, adding that this incident does not "represent the values of the IDF."
Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon said, "We must not allow, even at a time that our blood boils, this loss of control. This incident will be dealt with the utmost severity."
Meanwhile, if the roles were reversed and a Palestinian militant murdered a wounded Israeli, the PA would probably name a street after the murderer.
"A Kifir Brigade soldier who fired on a Palestinian knife attacker that had already been shot and wounded did so alone, and did not receive any orders to open fire from officers on the scene, an initial IDF investigation found on Friday.
The soldier is in Military Police custody after firing on the downed attacker in Hebron on Thursday. An investigation carried out by OC Central Command, Maj.-Gen. Roni Numa, on Friday morning found that the soldier arrived at the scene of a knife attack by two Palestinians after it had ended.
During the attack, the assailants stabbed an IDF soldier twice, inuring him, before being shot by other soldiers on the scene. One attacker was killed and the other lay on the ground, seriously injured.
Six minutes after the incident ended, the soldier arrived, and decided by himself to fire on the wounded Palestinian assailant, an IDF source said, citing Numa's investigation results.
Two platoon commanders and a company commander were rebuked by the the commander of the Kfir Brigade for failing to provide medical treatment to the wounded attacker, and for not evacuating him to hospital. None of the officers expected the soldier to open fire on the wounded Palestinian, the source said.
"Over the past six months, we have provided medical treatment to 170 Palestinians, many of them assailants. These are military instructions, and this is our norm. From the moment we take control of the situation, we treat Palestinian wounded, and evacuate them to hospital," the source said."
Commenting on the incident on Friday, IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Gadi Eisenkot said the military will back soldiers who made mistakes, but will not back those who deliberately violate the IDF's rules of engagement and ethics.
Eisenkot added that an "impassioned dialogue will not be helpful for a determined, professional military. There is a very significant difference between supporting soldiers, and backing those who violate IDF orders and norms."
A volunteer for the NGO B'Tselem, who lives near the scene of the incident, filmed the shooting from the window of his home. It was posted online and immediately went viral on Thursday, fueling condemnations from the left and right.
"The IDF expects its soldiers to behave with composure and in accordance with the rules of engagement," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement, adding that this incident does not "represent the values of the IDF."
Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon said, "We must not allow, even at a time that our blood boils, this loss of control. This incident will be dealt with the utmost severity."
Meanwhile, if the roles were reversed and a Palestinian militant murdered a wounded Israeli, the PA would probably name a street after the murderer.
Corthos
Great Old One
So let me get this straight... These guys attack (and injure) a soldier with the intent to kill him? I'm not condoning the soldier's action (which WAS cold blooded murder), but it's hard for me to feel bad for the attacker when I don't know all the info. Does anyone know if this was in connection with the call for intifada?
Poisonshady313
Well-Known Member
Yup.
There's always another side to the story.
"While speaking to family members in a private conversation hours after his initial arrest by Military Police, the soldier said: "I did the right thing at the right time in order to prevent anything else bad from happening."
The soldier added that he feared that the terrorist, who had already succeeded in stabbing another solider, was going to try to attack other soldiers. "He wore a thick coat and therefore I feared that he would stand and detonate an explosive belt."
"After I saw the terrorist moved," the soldier continued, "I shot him. I just feared that the terrorist would blow himself up.""
A lawyer representing the soldier in the matter told Army Radio later Thursday evening that his client was "not guilty" of any wrongdoing and urged the public "not to forget who was defending" them.
"We are too quick to say he was wrong and that he is guilty because of the video...but the soldier is not guilty," the lawyer commented. "Lets not allow his blood to be spilled just yet. Don't forget who is defending [the public], don't forget who is defending your children."
IDF soldiers killed both Abdel Fattah al-Sharif and Ramzi al-Kasrawi after they stabbed a soldier guarding the road that leads to the small Tel Rumeida neighborhood.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/ID...-attacker-brought-to-detention-hearing-449178
Sees
Dragonslayer
Strange for nobody present to appear surprised, upset, or reactive at all really - if one soldier just decided on his own to discharge in very close vicinity to others...finishing off the guy about to be taken to the emergency room, on a whim. 
Doesn't usually work like that.
People juiced up immediately after or during such events are very reactive and expressive when unusual/unexpected things happen suddenly, loudly, etc.
Definitely don't feel bad for the knifer.
Doesn't usually work like that. People juiced up immediately after or during such events are very reactive and expressive when unusual/unexpected things happen suddenly, loudly, etc.
Definitely don't feel bad for the knifer.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Both sides can be murderous , when I see something like this it doesn't surprise me at all, its always been tit for tat.
Since the Israel solider behave like criminals , I doubt that the two men commited a crime by "knifer" in the first place.
I just curious if the man was a Western had knifer , do you accept that police execute him like that , or it's just about Arabs/Muslims ?
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I wonder. Are we even prepared for it not to be tit for tat?
Soldiers follow orders. If you are taking as a premise that the palestinian did no wrong even while actively using weapons to hurt soldiers... then I fear it must follow that Israel can't be doing any wrong if it summarily kills any and all armed palestinians either.
In essence, you may be saying that Israel is morally entitled to annihilate Palestinians if it can pull it off, because it will be given no reasonable choice.
I hope that is not what you mean.
It is generally accepted "here in the West" that someone who is armed with either firearms or bladed weapons and actively attempts to hurt soldiers is forfeiting his life. Most of time we won't even expect repercussions for the soldiers if they kill the attacker.
Do you watch the video ?
I am talking about wounded suspect ,lying not moving , shot again in the head.
Yes, I saw it.
What do you expect me to say? I can't in good conscience expect or demand anyone to risk their lives attempting to spare the live of someone who they have good reason to fear might be holding explosives under their clothes.
Once a palestinian has chosen to attempt to hurt Israeli soldiers, he is effectively dead. I can't and won't expect others to feel duty-bound to protect him from his effective suicide attempt. I can neither admire nor disapprove of a soldier who decides that killing him on the spot is more morally acceptable than running the risk of finding out that he is taking out someone else with him.
Am I misunderstanding the situation somehow?
For the record, the video is wrong. That is not a cold blooded killing, until and unless it is established that there was no immediate danger for the people present. Unfortunately for us all, palestinian suicide bombers are very much a reality.
Are you serious ?
they are suspects .
let's suppose that he used knife against them.
If he had bomb why he used the knife ?
So you think that any wounded (lying) ,should be executed if he/she was Muslim/Arab (non-Jew) , because the soldiers affraid that would he hold bomb ?
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Oh yes, I am entirely serious. Why are you surprised?
I don't know. And I do not expect a soldier under attack to know or take the trouble of figuring it out, either.
Perhaps he hoped to overcome the soldier and come closer to a favored site for the explosion.
Perhaps he simply lost the nerve to use the bomb.
The bottom line is, an armed person attacking a soldier has chosen to die far as I am concerned, and I won't hold it against the soldier if the kills the attacker.
In Israel? Not yet, but I feel that I could easily be convinced towards that line of thinking.
I do however think that initiating an armed attack is grounds for summary execution. Nationality, belief and ethnic origin are not factors there.
Because you take the side of Israel , not being neutral.
really lol
It's would be funny that someone had bomb ,but he used a knife against his enemy lol
from Israel news Website:
Brig. Gen. Moti Almoz. "This is not the IDF culture.
Really? I fail to see in which sense my acceptance that instigators of armed violence are accepting the forfeiting of their own lives is not neutral.
Some who entitles himself to kill should expect to be killed.
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Sorry I made a mistake , even Israel politic/military leaders seems , did not agree with that crime.
Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu condemned al-Sharif’s killing
He said that, “What happened in Hebron does not represent the values of the Israel Defense Forces.”
You obviously take the side of criminal soldier.
The soldier who shot al-Sharif told family members, after his arrest by military police, that he feared that al-Sharif was wearing an explosive vest and might detonate it, the Jerusalem Post reported.
“Listen this dog is alive. Get it in their heads, sapper [combat engineer]. He deserves it.”
https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/03/25/israel/palestine-summary-execution-wounded-palestinian
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Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
The UK had plenty of Western white terrorists in the form of the IRA. At the same time the British were also committing atrocities against the Irish. I'd care just as little for a terrorist regardless of ethnicity.
Now let me ask you a question, you have mentioned your doubts regarding the claims of knife-wielding activities from these two men, yet you're certain of the Israeli soldier's execution of one of them.
Why is it then that you don't show the same level of scepticism that you showed in the thread about the two knife-wielding Palestinian boys?
Both events were caught on CCTV and had official reports, in fact the one involving the two kids had multiple CCTV shots of them attacking people, yet you showed such disbelief regarding them being guilty.
Why then do you not show the same scepticism when an Israeli is caught committing a crime?
Sorry my English is too weak to reply to all these points and questions !
Do you watch the video ?
UN condemns today the execution of that man by Israel soldier.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...palestinian-killing-by-israeli-soldier-hebron
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
No problem, I understand, I'll try to write it more simply.
The Israeli soldier executing the man was seen on CCTV and had official reports, the attack done by a different group (the two palestinian teenagers with knives) was also captured on CCTV and had official reports.
You didn't believe the two Palestinian teenagers were guilty, but you believe this Israeli soldier is - why?