Namaste,
saccidAnanda rUpAya vishwatpathyAdi hetave |
tApa-trya-vinAshAya Shri KRushNAya vayam numah: ||
Some points regarding recent things – I just saw many busy threads, have not read them all
However, here is how I see it...
Please Note: The following is mostly for the agnostics, but we must all respect science, scientists and the scientific community for they only make statements on what they can see, prove and infer within their range of available indrIya.
Evolution (spiritual ,and resulting observation - material)
Certainly it is the sUkshma sharIra that evolves – mAnas-buddhi and carries saMskAra from one birth to next like “fragrance of flowers carried by wind” according to BhagavAn Shri KRshNa –
B.G. 15.8 sharIram yad avApnoti
yachcha-api utkrAmatIshwarah:
gRhItwaitAni sauMyAti
vAyurgandhAn iva-AshayAt
Now, how do you expect the karma of Ape 1 to be drastically different from karma of Ape 2 his neighbor? It cannot be. It is collective karma. memes. Mob-pscychology. They all march in step with very very similar karma in the same natural habitat, so they evolve marching in step, gradually.
What chances do you see a mosquito turning into a dinosaur due to past karma? NIL!
The poor mosquito can do only so much good or evil!
Maa PrakRutI also has a responsibility, does She not? She cannot place a dinosaur in an environment that does not suit its survival.
Another point : "Why do we still have apes around if current evolution theory is correct?" was the qn raised. They exist because their group and individual karma places them there. They could have been something totally different, or could have been a sister species that did not learn well.
Doesn’t Shrimad BhAgvatam, the crown jewel of purANa and Padma PurAN state that manushya janma is a prized possession because it is attained after going through 84 crore yonis of various lower species ? Is this not the evolution science tells us about by observation? However, science only sees a small portion of the whole picture.
Limitations of modern science
So, while science makes observations on jaDa prakRuti ONLY, what it has been observing is the result of collective karma of habitats and species as Mother Nature “naturally” expects them to transform without special intervention (I will say transform rather than evolve).
Science does not make statements on things it cannot "see" --- which is not a bad thing. Therefore it does not know or understand the existence of Manus, Rshis, prajApatis, etc. co-existing with very primitive species of life many many years ago. No human or Rshi fossils are found because they were cremated - this is also well-known.
Big Bang
Yes, big bang. so? Science only infers this one big bang (and it is a great achievement no doubt), but it does not know enough (owing to its method and nature of inference) that big bangs keep happening in eternal cyclic form.
This intuitive knowledge and understanding can only come with shraddhA in the Veda shAstra and the ParamAtmA.
NEXT,
Vedas bring rain
This cannot be any more scientific than any science known. Vedas are Shabda Brahman’ , the nAda brahman’ that manifests with the correct, precise, shraddhA-pUrNa, bhAva-pUrNa , preeti-pUrNa recital of the ruchi, shloka, in the right chhanda (meter, rhythm),
THAT pleases the sarvAntaryAmi BhagvAn, NArAyaNa svayam, and it pleases the Devas presiding over various limbs and aspects of nature at both pinDAnDa (individual) and bramhAnDa (universal) levels (atmospheric water cycle – Indra, indrIya – Indra ;
eyes – sUrya and Ashwini kumAr, vision, sunlight, solar-system balance, sustains life ;
mind - Chandra – moon, affects nurture of aushadhI (herbs) and oceanic tides and minds of individuals – hence ~ rAdhA , mAnasa chandramA ~
… and so on.)
Now let's look at this thru’ the lens of modern science : Sound vibrations – in the scientific pattern given to us by prANanAtha vallabh ---> causes vibrations of energy waves ---> of matter ---> causes heat transfer ---> activates the atmospheric water-cycle ---> causes clouds, and rain.
*The collective prema-bhAva, AsthA, shraddhA and reverence of the ved-pAThak brAmhaNa -- the role played by consciousness - - is unseen to the scientific community with their naked eye.
*IcchA Shakti , Kriya Shakti , DnyAna (jnana) shakti --- which is understood by Hindus is unknown and unseen hence not acknowledged by science.
TAnsen sings in raag malhAr at the court of Akbar to bring rain. (TAnsen was around at the time of VitthalnAth Goswami (Gusainji), VallabhAchArya’s 2nd son. Vitthal (KRshNa) at PanDharpUr had promised Vallabhacharya that He Himself (Vitthal) will take birth as Vallabhacharya’s son.)
More..... Is it any wonder that KRshNa can light lamps by merely playing His flute?
Anyways, this is how I look at it and I am sure many Hindus, vendantins right in this forum agree with this.
So, moral of the story: Vaidika vAk is as scientific as science can be. Have faith in the Vedas. Truth is multi-dimensional, kaleidoscopic, not black and white. Many a times it is about one’s comprehension, black-white thinking, perspective or bias, not about truth vs. myth.
Comments welcome.
And may the Divine descend and unite us all in prema!
Maa YashodA ke ghar lAlo bhayo hai!!!
KAnho GokuL Ayo hai!!! (Sorry, my darling Baby KAnhU, I cannot wait unit August, it is too far away!)
Nanda ghar Ananda bhayo jai KanhaiyA lAl ki ~
saccidAnanda rUpAya vishwatpathyAdi hetave |
tApa-trya-vinAshAya Shri KRushNAya vayam numah: ||
Some points regarding recent things – I just saw many busy threads, have not read them all
However, here is how I see it...
Please Note: The following is mostly for the agnostics, but we must all respect science, scientists and the scientific community for they only make statements on what they can see, prove and infer within their range of available indrIya.
Evolution (spiritual ,and resulting observation - material)
Certainly it is the sUkshma sharIra that evolves – mAnas-buddhi and carries saMskAra from one birth to next like “fragrance of flowers carried by wind” according to BhagavAn Shri KRshNa –
B.G. 15.8 sharIram yad avApnoti
yachcha-api utkrAmatIshwarah:
gRhItwaitAni sauMyAti
vAyurgandhAn iva-AshayAt
Now, how do you expect the karma of Ape 1 to be drastically different from karma of Ape 2 his neighbor? It cannot be. It is collective karma. memes. Mob-pscychology. They all march in step with very very similar karma in the same natural habitat, so they evolve marching in step, gradually.
What chances do you see a mosquito turning into a dinosaur due to past karma? NIL!
The poor mosquito can do only so much good or evil!
Maa PrakRutI also has a responsibility, does She not? She cannot place a dinosaur in an environment that does not suit its survival.
Another point : "Why do we still have apes around if current evolution theory is correct?" was the qn raised. They exist because their group and individual karma places them there. They could have been something totally different, or could have been a sister species that did not learn well.
Doesn’t Shrimad BhAgvatam, the crown jewel of purANa and Padma PurAN state that manushya janma is a prized possession because it is attained after going through 84 crore yonis of various lower species ? Is this not the evolution science tells us about by observation? However, science only sees a small portion of the whole picture.
Limitations of modern science
So, while science makes observations on jaDa prakRuti ONLY, what it has been observing is the result of collective karma of habitats and species as Mother Nature “naturally” expects them to transform without special intervention (I will say transform rather than evolve).
Science does not make statements on things it cannot "see" --- which is not a bad thing. Therefore it does not know or understand the existence of Manus, Rshis, prajApatis, etc. co-existing with very primitive species of life many many years ago. No human or Rshi fossils are found because they were cremated - this is also well-known.
Big Bang
Yes, big bang. so? Science only infers this one big bang (and it is a great achievement no doubt), but it does not know enough (owing to its method and nature of inference) that big bangs keep happening in eternal cyclic form.
This intuitive knowledge and understanding can only come with shraddhA in the Veda shAstra and the ParamAtmA.
NEXT,
Vedas bring rain
This cannot be any more scientific than any science known. Vedas are Shabda Brahman’ , the nAda brahman’ that manifests with the correct, precise, shraddhA-pUrNa, bhAva-pUrNa , preeti-pUrNa recital of the ruchi, shloka, in the right chhanda (meter, rhythm),
THAT pleases the sarvAntaryAmi BhagvAn, NArAyaNa svayam, and it pleases the Devas presiding over various limbs and aspects of nature at both pinDAnDa (individual) and bramhAnDa (universal) levels (atmospheric water cycle – Indra, indrIya – Indra ;
eyes – sUrya and Ashwini kumAr, vision, sunlight, solar-system balance, sustains life ;
mind - Chandra – moon, affects nurture of aushadhI (herbs) and oceanic tides and minds of individuals – hence ~ rAdhA , mAnasa chandramA ~
… and so on.)
Now let's look at this thru’ the lens of modern science : Sound vibrations – in the scientific pattern given to us by prANanAtha vallabh ---> causes vibrations of energy waves ---> of matter ---> causes heat transfer ---> activates the atmospheric water-cycle ---> causes clouds, and rain.
*The collective prema-bhAva, AsthA, shraddhA and reverence of the ved-pAThak brAmhaNa -- the role played by consciousness - - is unseen to the scientific community with their naked eye.
*IcchA Shakti , Kriya Shakti , DnyAna (jnana) shakti --- which is understood by Hindus is unknown and unseen hence not acknowledged by science.
TAnsen sings in raag malhAr at the court of Akbar to bring rain. (TAnsen was around at the time of VitthalnAth Goswami (Gusainji), VallabhAchArya’s 2nd son. Vitthal (KRshNa) at PanDharpUr had promised Vallabhacharya that He Himself (Vitthal) will take birth as Vallabhacharya’s son.)
More..... Is it any wonder that KRshNa can light lamps by merely playing His flute?
Anyways, this is how I look at it and I am sure many Hindus, vendantins right in this forum agree with this.
So, moral of the story: Vaidika vAk is as scientific as science can be. Have faith in the Vedas. Truth is multi-dimensional, kaleidoscopic, not black and white. Many a times it is about one’s comprehension, black-white thinking, perspective or bias, not about truth vs. myth.
Comments welcome.
And may the Divine descend and unite us all in prema!
Maa YashodA ke ghar lAlo bhayo hai!!!
KAnho GokuL Ayo hai!!! (Sorry, my darling Baby KAnhU, I cannot wait unit August, it is too far away!)
Nanda ghar Ananda bhayo jai KanhaiyA lAl ki ~
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