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Religions Vs. Cults. Is there a solid difference?

McDoogins

Member
From Wikipedia.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

In the sociological classifications of religious movements in English, a cult is a religious or social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices.[1] However, whether any particular group's beliefs and practices are sufficiently deviant or novel is often unclear, thus making a precise definition problematic.[2][3] In the English speaking world, the word often carries derogatory connotations, but in other European languages, it is used as English-speakers use the word, "religion," sometimes causing confusion for English-speakers reading material translated from other languages.[4][5] The word "cult" has always been controversial because it is (in a pejorative sense) considered a subjective term, used as an ad hominem attack against groups with differing doctrines or practices, which lacks a clear or consistent definition.[6][7]

Beginning in the 1930s, cults became the object of sociological study in the context of the study of religious behavior.[8] Certain groups have been labelled as cults and have been opposed by the Christian countercult movement for their unorthodox beliefs. Since the 1970s, some groups have been opposed by the anti-cult movement, partly motivated in reaction to acts of violence committed by members of some groups. Some of the claims by the anti-cult movement have been disputed by other scholars and by the news media, leading to further controversy. Public and governmental reactions to the cult issue have also been a source of controversy.

A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.[note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that aim to explain the meaning of life, the origin of life, or the Universe. From their beliefs about the cosmos and human nature, people may derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle.

Many religions may have organized behaviors, clergy, a definition of what constitutes adherence or membership, holy places, and scriptures. The practice of a religion may include rituals, sermons, commemoration or veneration (of a deity, gods, or goddesses), sacrifices, festivals, feasts, trances, initiations, funerary services, matrimonial services, meditation, prayer, music, art, dance, public service, or other aspects of human culture. Religions may also contain mythology.[1]

The word religion is sometimes used interchangeably with faith or set of duties;[2] however, in the words of Émile Durkheim, religion differs from private belief in that it is "something eminently social".[3] A global 2012 poll reports 59% of the world's population as "religious" and 23% as not religious, including 13% who are atheists, with a 9% decrease in religious belief from 2005.[4] However, their 2015 poll found that only 22% of the world population is not religious and only 11% were "convinced atheists".[5] On average, women are "more religious" than men.[6] Some people follow multiple religions or multiple religious principles at the same time, regardless of whether or not the religious principles they follow traditionally allow for syncretism.[7][8][9]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

From what I gather cults are just less popular religions.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I'm not sure who said it originally, but I like the old line that a religion is a cult that survived the death of its founder.

For most purposes, I think "dangerous group" is a more useful description than "cult", since it focuses on the group's effects on its members.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
That as the point in and of itself. It doesn't really mean anything deep.
I'm just trying to determine what you're seeking to debate and why? Let me ask you a couple of questions:
  1. Do you think it both appropriate and useful to categorize Scientology as a cult?
  2. Do you think it both appropriate and useful to categorize Protestantism as a cult?
  3. Do you believe the term 'cult' to be equally useful in discussing each group/
 

McDoogins

Member
1. No, I think Scientology is a religion.
2. No, I think Protestantism is a religion.
3. Yes, I find cult and religion to be practically interchangeable.
 

Cephus

Relentlessly Rational
I'm just trying to determine what you're seeking to debate and why? Let me ask you a couple of questions:
  1. Do you think it both appropriate and useful to categorize Scientology as a cult?
  2. Do you think it both appropriate and useful to categorize Protestantism as a cult?
  3. Do you believe the term 'cult' to be equally useful in discussing each group/
"Cult" is often used by religions to denigrate other religions. The fact is, all religions are cults and all cults are religions.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I always figured a cult is the other guy's religion.

However I kind of like what 9-10ths had to say.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
A Cult looks crazy and tries clouds your judgement to gain power, money and fame; Cult leaders are at war with themselves and feels insecure and dimished by their sense of insigificance, an attention-seeker who needs the oxyogen of publicity to conceal their insecurities. most of all he or she wants people to believe in them. they promise certainties and absolutes to perpetaute our illusions and so hate the truth and the life which they feel disempowers them.

A Religion tries to provide clarity by actually being crazy enough to tell you the truth you've been hiding from your whole life; the prophet is at peace with themselves through self-knowledge, and naturally attracts those who wish to be at peace. they smiile, smirk and reads you knowing the vulernabilities of those who want to believe in something when they need is someone to love them and tell them to believe in themselves. ultimately, religions are as fragile as the people who believe in them, but are all the more courageous for it because it comes from the love of mankind with all its imperfections.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
While cults and religions can be similar, there are differences. A cult is normally associated with mind control, destructive beliefs, and isolation of the adherent from their family. With enough subjective application, the word 'cult' can be applied to groups beyond religion. For example, some people define the Army or Alcoholics Anonymous as cults.

http://orange-papers.org/orange-cult_a0.html
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
All cults are religions but not all religions are cults.
I disagree. I think the terms can be used interchangabely. There is a negative connotation associated with the term "cult", but that wasn't always the case. Here is how the term is defined in most sources I have looked at:

cult
kəlt/
noun
  1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
    "the cult of St. Olaf"
 

jojom

Active Member
In main, I go along with the opening line in Wikipedia's article on cults.

"In the sociological classifications of religious movements in English, a cult is a religious or social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices."

I would only add and subtract, "In the sociological classifications of religious movements in English, a cult is a relatively small religious or social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices.

So, a cult may or may not be religious, or a religion be a cult.


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gsa

Well-Known Member
While cults and religions can be similar, there are differences. A cult is normally associated with mind control, destructive beliefs, and isolation of the adherent from their family. With enough subjective application, the word 'cult' can be applied to groups beyond religion. For example, some people define the Army or Alcoholics Anonymous as cults.

http://orange-papers.org/orange-cult_a0.html

While they are popularly associated with that, the authoritarianism and insularity that we associate with cults can just as easily be found in religious bodies that would reject the cult label. What about the Haredim? Or the Amish? Or Mark Driscoll and the Mars Hill Church and the Acts 29 network? There are plenty of other examples, including within the New Age movement, among neo-pagans, Islam, etcetera. These are marked by authoritarian leadership, mechanisms for enforcing loyalty and commitment to the group and its belief systems, lifestyle practices and mechanisms for penalizing or dissociating from wayward adherents...all of this can be found in religious movements considered socially deviant as well as those that are "traditional" and associated with established religions.
 

Monk Of Reason

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
From Wikipedia.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

In the sociological classifications of religious movements in English, a cult is a religious or social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices.[1] However, whether any particular group's beliefs and practices are sufficiently deviant or novel is often unclear, thus making a precise definition problematic.[2][3] In the English speaking world, the word often carries derogatory connotations, but in other European languages, it is used as English-speakers use the word, "religion," sometimes causing confusion for English-speakers reading material translated from other languages.[4][5] The word "cult" has always been controversial because it is (in a pejorative sense) considered a subjective term, used as an ad hominem attack against groups with differing doctrines or practices, which lacks a clear or consistent definition.[6][7]

Beginning in the 1930s, cults became the object of sociological study in the context of the study of religious behavior.[8] Certain groups have been labelled as cults and have been opposed by the Christian countercult movement for their unorthodox beliefs. Since the 1970s, some groups have been opposed by the anti-cult movement, partly motivated in reaction to acts of violence committed by members of some groups. Some of the claims by the anti-cult movement have been disputed by other scholars and by the news media, leading to further controversy. Public and governmental reactions to the cult issue have also been a source of controversy.

A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.[note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that aim to explain the meaning of life, the origin of life, or the Universe. From their beliefs about the cosmos and human nature, people may derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle.

Many religions may have organized behaviors, clergy, a definition of what constitutes adherence or membership, holy places, and scriptures. The practice of a religion may include rituals, sermons, commemoration or veneration (of a deity, gods, or goddesses), sacrifices, festivals, feasts, trances, initiations, funerary services, matrimonial services, meditation, prayer, music, art, dance, public service, or other aspects of human culture. Religions may also contain mythology.[1]

The word religion is sometimes used interchangeably with faith or set of duties;[2] however, in the words of Émile Durkheim, religion differs from private belief in that it is "something eminently social".[3] A global 2012 poll reports 59% of the world's population as "religious" and 23% as not religious, including 13% who are atheists, with a 9% decrease in religious belief from 2005.[4] However, their 2015 poll found that only 22% of the world population is not religious and only 11% were "convinced atheists".[5] On average, women are "more religious" than men.[6] Some people follow multiple religions or multiple religious principles at the same time, regardless of whether or not the religious principles they follow traditionally allow for syncretism.[7][8][9]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

From what I gather cults are just less popular religions.
There is not a "solid" difference. Just how there isn't a solid difference between a pond or lake. Both are similar and if looked at under a microscope they are identical. The issue between the two is that one is seen by the public as a legitimate religion while the other is just crazy talk. I find it funny how similar the messages can be between the "word of god" and 'crazy talk".
 
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