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I'm sure you're belief in your god is positive to you, and boosts your attitude. Nonetheless, you maintain a supernatural relationship with a deceiving entity. I can say this because this entity requires that you completely change everything about who you are in order to please it, while simultaneously telling you he created you in his image. That, my friend, is what's known as a mixed message. :D

My mom didn't give birth to me so I can sit at home, drink beer and play video games. She also didn't give birth to me to surround myself with a bunch of thieves to steal stuff. Nor killers, nor dumb people. She gave birth to me expecting that I make the best out of my life by listening to her and my dad.

Same with God. Life changes for the better once someone behinds aligning their life with the Bible. To me it still sounds weird but where it's gotten me in my health and joy is ridiculous. I just wouldn't go back.
 

Marisa

Well-Known Member
I'm not wasting my time trying to prove it when I don't have much to throw at you except the changes in myself and other people's lives. You just won't get it until you try, but I guess stubbornness is gonna hold you back so that's rely not my issue. Faith man, faith.
I have tried, I still didn't get it, but thanks for making assumptions about me when you don't know me beyond our exchange here. But back to the point, here's what you don't get: I bet Riverwolf can make the same statement you just did and make the same baseless assumption about you never having "tried" his/her belief system. So keep on laughing at Riverwolf and other believers of different gods than yourself, and keep on not realizing how hypocritical you are.
 

BenTheBeliever

Active Member
My mom didn't give birth to me so I can sit at home, drink beer and play video games. She also didn't give birth to me to surround myself with a bunch of thieves to steal stuff. Nor killers, nor dumb people. She gave birth to me expecting that I make the best out of my life by listening to her and my dad.

Same with God. Life changes for the better once someone behinds aligning their life with the Bible. To me it still sounds weird but where it's gotten me in my health and joy is ridiculous. I just wouldn't go back.
Well put
 
I have tried, I still didn't get it, but thanks for making assumptions about me when you don't know me beyond our exchange here. But back to the point, here's what you don't get: I bet Riverwolf can make the same statement you just did and make the same baseless assumption about you never having "tried" his/her belief system. So keep on laughing at Riverwolf and other believers of different gods than yourself, and keep on not realizing how hypocritical you are.

You're right, she can use the same statement. She can use phrases and verses and pictures and beautifully strung words to paint me a picture of this Odin or Thor. What sucks is it's not going to be anything more than a talltale in comparison to God. Keep arguing but you're not going to get it until you "taste and see".
 

Marisa

Well-Known Member
Same with God. Life changes for the better once someone behinds aligning their life with the Bible. To me it still sounds weird but where it's gotten me in my health and joy is ridiculous. I just wouldn't go back.
Really? I have a friend who tried for over a year to get pregnant, finally got pregnant, had a health pregnancy and 3 days after her healthy baby was born, it died. She is a devout believer, but her life was utter and complete **** for over a year while she fought with the hospital trying to find out why her otherwise healthy baby died. That's the problem with you religious types, you myopically focus on the good things and completely ignore the complete crap that some people's lives are despite their belief. I'm glad you receive comfort from your faith, but please don't try to sell it to me as something I'm quite well aware that it isn't.
 

Marisa

Well-Known Member
You're right, she can use the same statement. She can use phrases and verses and pictures and beautifully strung words to paint me a picture of this Odin or Thor. What sucks is it's not going to be anything more than a talltale in comparison to God. Keep arguing but you're not going to get it until you "taste and see".
You still don't get it. That's what keeps you faithful, though. :rolleyes:
 

BenTheBeliever

Active Member
Really? I have a friend who tried for over a year to get pregnant, finally got pregnant, had a health pregnancy and 3 days after her healthy baby was born, it died. She is a devout believer, but her life was utter and complete **** for over a year while she fought with the hospital trying to find out why her otherwise healthy baby died. That's the problem with you religious types, you myopically focus on the good things and completely ignore the complete crap that some people's lives are despite their belief. I'm glad you receive comfort from your faith, but please don't try to sell it to me as something I'm quite well aware that it isn't.
God carries us through those moments. I am sure he carried your friend through it. I know he has carried me through my harsh health moments. God never tells us our life will not be easy but he will not forsake us
 
Really? I have a friend who tried for over a year to get pregnant, finally got pregnant, had a health pregnancy and 3 days after her healthy baby was born, it died. She is a devout believer, but her life was utter and complete **** for over a year while she fought with the hospital trying to find out why her otherwise healthy baby died. That's the problem with you religious types, you myopically focus on the good things and completely ignore the complete crap that some people's lives are despite their belief. I'm glad you receive comfort from your faith, but please don't try to sell it to me as something I'm quite well aware that it isn't.

Who says we don't focus on the bad? I really wanna know who because God says we are going to deal with some b.s. and life will be hard but to have faith. I know someone who had three miscarriages but she's as happy as can be today. Why did He do it to her? That's between her and God. Did she keep her faith and pull through? You bet.

It's all on how that person reacts to the situation. If you wanna give up on God after a stub in the toe then that Faith wasn't grounded enough. I'm not saying that it's easy to go through at allll, but there's a reason behind it.

And if you were aware of what it is, you'd have a different response.
 

Marisa

Well-Known Member
God carries us through those moments. I am sure he carried your friend through it. I know he has carried me through my harsh health moments. God never tells us our life will not be easy but he will not forsake us
Not according to her. This would be personal perception. She said one of the most vile things she heard was people trying to console her by telling her the baby was in a "better place". Do you have kids? I do, and I cannot think of any better place for my daughter than in my arms.

Again, I'm glad you get comfort from your religion. There are many who do not.
 

Marisa

Well-Known Member
Who says we don't focus on the bad? I really wanna know who because God says we are going to deal with some b.s. and life will be hard but to have faith. I know someone who had three miscarriages but she's as happy as can be today. Why did He do it to her? That's between her and God. Did she keep her faith and pull through? You bet.

It's all on how that person reacts to the situation. If you wanna give up on God after a stub in the toe then that Faith wasn't grounded enough. I'm not saying that it's easy to go through at allll, but there's a reason behind it.

And if you were aware of what it is, you'd have a different response.
You misunderstand my position. I'm not attempting to deconvert you. My only point to you has been how utterly ridiculous it is for you to ridicule someone of a different belief system than you, because the same rationale you use to dismiss another belief system as trite can be used against yours.
 

BenTheBeliever

Active Member
Not according to her. This would be personal perception. She said one of the most vile things she heard was people trying to console her by telling her the baby was in a "better place". Do you have kids? I do, and I cannot think of any better place for my daughter than in my arms.

Again, I'm glad you get comfort from your religion. There are many who do not.



Then if she does not find comfort in God then perhaps she should not believe in him then? no i don't have kids. but i sure as hell been through more then my share of heartache. At the age of 33 i have been through hell and made it through. even before my birth when my mom was pregnant with me Satan try to kill me. My mom was married to my dad and left him when she was pregnant with me. He was a drinker and would abuse her. One night the holy spirit told my mom to get my sister who was five and herself out of there and go to the gas station down the street. my mom was about six months long with me at the time and she did what she heard God tell her to do. Cause she listen to God i am alive today. Jack (my dad) came home drunk. He was looking for my mom but could not find her and instead ended up almost killing their dog.

I did not met him until i was 14 years old and he died when i was 18. Cause he abuse my mom i had to deal with many health issues and handicaps. I was in the MR classes in school and was often picked on cause of it. I grew up poor. My mom raised my sister and me on her own with out a husband. She raised us with Christ was our father. we might not of gone to church all the time but we had God living in the house with us. She raised us to love Christ and love people.

I have had to battle with deppression and anxienty so bad that i came close to killing myself in hs. it was not until my friend holly came into my life my senior year in 2000 that i gave my life to the Lord for my own self and i begin to change.

I met my wife in 2011. We got married a year later. One month after we got married my wife who has bi polar hand an attack and got put in the hospital. we we're just married one month and i felt defeated cause i could not protect my wife. It was during one day at work that God showed up and change me for the better. I worked for 13 years in a retail store. i was the head bag boy. I was cleaning up a mess when i found out that my wife was not doing good and was court order to be in the hospital. I fell to my knees and i remember crying out to God. right then on the raido at my old job casting crowns song courages came on the radio. I felt the holy spirit picking me up and telling me i needed to let God have it. I did what i felt God tell me to do. For three days i fasted my lunch cause God told me to. Just less then a week later my wife did a full recovering and got to come home sooner then they imagine she would.

We have had other battles we have had to deal with inculding the death of my four month old great niece, my mom having mini strokes and having to move in with us for two years and me leaving my job cause i got fibromlygia real bad.

But i have not let go of God. For me he is the only reason why i am still living.
 

Marisa

Well-Known Member
Then if she does not find comfort in God then perhaps she should not believe in him then? no i don't have kids. but i sure as hell been through more then my share of heartache. At the age of 33 i have been through hell and made it through. even before my birth when my mom was pregnant with me Satan try to kill me. My mom was married to my dad and left him when she was pregnant with me. He was a drinker and would abuse her. One night the holy spirit told my mom to get my sister who was five and herself out of there and go to the gas station down the street. my mom was about six months long with me at the time and she did what she heard God tell her to do. Cause she listen to God i am alive today. Jack (my dad) came home drunk. He was looking for my mom but could not find her and instead ended up almost killing their dog.

I did not met him until i was 14 years old and he died when i was 18. Cause he abuse my mom i had to deal with many health issues and handicaps. I was in the MR classes in school and was often picked on cause of it. I grew up poor. My mom raised my sister and me on her own with out a husband. She raised us with Christ was our father. we might not of gone to church all the time but we had God living in the house with us. She raised us to love Christ and love people.

I have had to battle with deppression and anxienty so bad that i came close to killing myself in hs. it was not until my friend holly came into my life my senior year in 2000 that i gave my life to the Lord for my own self and i begin to change.

I met my wife in 2011. We got married a year later. One month after we got married my wife who has bi polar hand an attack and got put in the hospital. we we're just married one month and i felt defeated cause i could not protect my wife. It was during one day at work that God showed up and change me for the better. I worked for 13 years in a retail store. i was the head bag boy. I was cleaning up a mess when i found out that my wife was not doing good and was court order to be in the hospital. I fell to my knees and i remember crying out to God. right then on the raido at my old job casting crowns song courages came on the radio. I felt the holy spirit picking me up and telling me i needed to let God have it. I did what i felt God tell me to do. For three days i fasted my lunch cause God told me to. Just less then a week later my wife did a full recovering and got to come home sooner then they imagine she would.

We have had other battles we have had to deal with inculding the death of my four month old great niece, my mom having mini strokes and having to move in with us for two years and me leaving my job cause i got fibromlygia real bad.

But i have not let go of God. For me he is the only reason why i am still living.
Do I have to say again that I'm not trying to deconvert anyone?
 

Marisa

Well-Known Member
Did i say you we're? I was just explaining about what i have been through and why i got a strong Faith in Christ.
Why would you feel the need to express your strong faith unless you felt it challenged? AKA: was the statement I made, that many people do not find your faith comforting, false?
 

BenTheBeliever

Active Member
Why would you feel the need to express your strong faith unless you felt it challenged? AKA: was the statement I made, that many people do not find your faith comforting, false?


Cause this is who i am. You asked me if i have any kids. No i don't but i also been through stuff like your friend been through. I have always been the type of person that uses my own experience as a way to show what i been through. Jo is a close friend of mine and you can ask her we have known each other for years and i have always been this way. I wear my Faith on my sleeve. It definds me and so does my Realtionship with Christ.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Cause this is who i am. You asked me if i have any kids. No i don't but i also been through stuff like your friend been through. I have always been the type of person that uses my own experience as a way to show what i been through. Jo is a close friend of mine and you can ask her we have known each other for years and i have always been this way. I wear my Faith on my sleeve. It definds me and so does my Realtionship with Christ.
That's all well and good for you, but can you perhaps understand why someone who doesn't share your faith might find your attitude to people's misfortune somewhat insulting, patronizing or, at worst, actually harmful? What would you say to the people I met whose children, a pair of twins only a couple of weeks old, were both diagnosed with leukaemia? What is God's plan there, exactly?
 
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