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A good heated discussion

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
That is beautiful!
Thanks for the appreciation.
Yet in another place G-d is described in Quran in the following manner:
[112:1]In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[112:2]Say, ‘He is Allah, the One;
[112:3]‘Allah, the Independent and Besought of all.
[112:4]‘He begets not, nor is He begotten;
[112:5]‘And there is none like unto Him.’
Regards
 

Thuli

Member
Please explain.

Are you being led by scripture?
Nothing is really bad nor good. Especially where God is. What is true however is who you look at something; how you label it. "Sex" for an audacious example, was never bad. It only became "bad" when we started changing our view of it; our perspective. So it is the way you see something that makes it what it is for YOU. That's why I don't believe people when they say the Bible is archaic, damning, nonsense and is not to be followed. But I also strongly object that the Bible must be worshipped and without it you will "succumb". The Bible is to you what you make it, just like many other creative things. But To answer your second question, no, I don't follow scriptures. I follow my higher self.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Nothing is really bad nor good. Especially where God is. What is true however is who you look at something; how you label it. "Sex" for an audacious example, was never bad. It only became "bad" when we started changing our view of it; our perspective. So it is the way you see something that makes it what it is for YOU. That's why I don't believe people when they say the Bible is archaic, damning, nonsense and is not to be followed. But I also strongly object that the Bible must be worshipped and without it you will "succumb". The Bible is to you what you make it, just like many other creative things. But To answer your second question, no, I don't follow scriptures. I follow my higher self.
I agree with you. You say I should change my perspective of Bible scripture. Did you say that? Change it from what to what?
 

Thuli

Member
I might try to explain it after you answer my question. HOW should I change my perception of The Bible? What is wrong with my perspective?
If you don't like something change it. If you cannot change it, change your perspective of it! First you have to be familiar with the way you see it now. Be sure of how you feel towards it.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Indeed. Change it from your relative perspective and how you view it NOW if you don't like it that way.
I am sorry. That makes no sense to me. I have already changed it to tell the truth. Not all of it, but some of it.
 

Thuli

Member
What have you changed? The Scriptures themselves or the way you see them? You see, one cannot contradict something because it does not meet their personal status quo. But one must always remember, that you don't HAVE to believe in something because someone tells you to. You don't HAVE to do anything. You don't HAVE to believe me and e you, but your truth is your truth and my truth is mine, however, just like Jesus, we must share our ultimate truth like we are doing now. And my goal is to help you not downgrade or mock you, and I'm sure you feel mutual towards this. What have you changed?
 

Thuli

Member
What have you changed? The Scriptures themselves or the way you see them? You see, one cannot contradict something because it does not meet their personal status quo. But one must always remember, that you don't HAVE to believe in something because someone tells you to. You don't HAVE to do anything. You don't HAVE to believe me and e you, but your truth is your truth and my truth is mine, however, just like Jesus, we must share our ultimate truth like we are doing now. And my goal is to help you not downgrade or mock you, and I'm sure you feel mutual towards this. What have you changed?
I hope this not irrelevant now :D
 

Thuli

Member
You Christians, with all do respect, need to stop calling yourselves slaves! What a depressing, oppressing thought! God doesn't want slaves. God doesn't want zombies. He wants people who are consciously aware of why they follow him. Do you know why you follow God? Do you know your mission here on Earth?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I changed a few things and I have changed many Bible traditions.

The words I have changed are these.

I took out the word "make" at Matthew 28:19 and I changed love "does not become proved" to love "does not provoke". Those are two changes. I do not remember more.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You Christians, with all do respect, need to stop calling yourselves slaves! What a depressing, oppressing thought! God doesn't want slaves. God doesn't want zombies. He wants people who are consciously aware of why they follow him. Do you know why you follow God? Do you know your mission here on Earth?
We must slave to do the will of God. When we do we are not actually slaving for God or for Jesus. We slave for the least ones of the Earth. God's will is for all people to be saved and to knowledge come. To do it half-heartedly does not work.
 
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