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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by savagewind, Feb 10, 2013.

  1. savagewind

    savagewind Something, not nothing
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    Satan does not exist as an independent soul. But by saying satan does not exist is the same as saying some Bible scripture is wrong. Are you saying scripture about satan is wrong?
     
  2. savagewind

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    I believe the scripture which says regarding God's promise that it is "impossible for God to lie". So there is something that God cannot do.
     
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    This sounds mystic. Are you christian?

    What you said sounds confusing. "Everything we feel he is capable of feeling" which makes him an entity, person, being, spirit, etc that can display emotions.

    While if God Is love, there is no He. He cant display love for He is love. He cant feel our emotions because He Is the emotions we have.

    The former makes more sense given you have a source that can feel emotions

    The later is more confusing because it is taking a human emotion and personifying it, calling it a Hex and saying this "person/love" can interact like something Id see on a sci fi channel...the force light"
     
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    You mean it is not Word of G-d, exactly?
    Regards
     
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    So are you saying it is impossible for God to appear as whatever he likes? To appear before you even now? Do you say God is incapable? God is everything. That's the simple truth of it. Do you know why he feels without being (for example he is capable of feeling anger but he is not anger itself) do you know why? Because God is everything and he created everything. He even created humor! HE created all of our most basic emotions which are: Love and Fear. Millions of things spring from these two sponsoring emotions bu these are the roots of the tree. He has given you a choice of which instinct to follow: be it love or fear. I have no religion because religion is separation. I am not different from you or anyone else. Religion separates people, conscious awareness brings them together.
     
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    Am I? You tell me. You're the one who knows the Bible off by heart. This is my truth, regardless of what your Bible says. I'm not swayed by the Bible nor are my decisions and actions. I speak the truth I have re-membered and re-collected unto my consciousness soul. Whether or not this conflicts the Bible, the Khoran or even the weather for all I care, is none of my business.
     
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    savagewind Something, not nothing
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    Bible scripture is not exactly the Word of G-d. The Word of G-d is The Son, Jesus Christ. How can it also be men's written words? Actually The Word of God might not mean God's communication with the Earth but might mean God's promise of a righteous house.

    "I give you my word" means I make a promise to do what I say I will do.

    "All scripture is inspired of God" is a true statement I believe. I do not believe like they do that every word in the Bible canon is God's own communication.
     
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    What is this "G-d" thing you guys are doing? If I may ask.
     
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    I don't usually do it. I did it in response to the poster. It is a respectful thing to do according to some people.
     
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    Youre reading more into the question than whats there. Its a yes or no with little explanation if feels they need to add two more cents.

    Is God made up of love as I am made up skin and bones? (Is He love personified?)

    I ask this because you are refering to God as an entity who can mirror our needs, and "do" things.

    I just needed clarification.

    OR

    Is God an entity, spirit, being, or so have you that "gives" love?

    For example, I am a human being AND I can give love without being love in and of itself.

    THATs what I am asking. There are no hideen meanings. There are no strings attached. There are no metaphors.

    Understand?
     
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    I think God is love means The One Who Is Who Was And Who Is Coming cannot do anything without love with it.
     
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    Instead of God being love in and of itself, as a He, love describes and His personality and He is depended on love to give it?
     
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    LISTEN: God is not an entity. Okay? That is point on. God is not made up of anything, everything IS made out of God. God is alpha and omega, quite literally. There is no "is". God is not made up of anything, that's why he can become anything. There are no barriers for him.
     
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    Pantheism?
     
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    So he is energy, basically. Cannot be created, cannot be destroyed. Like you said a while back, God is the very essence of all that lives. That was very accurate, your poem or what was it?
     
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    Yes, pantheism.
     
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    You might have to rephrase that. Everything God does is love. If it isn't love, then God did not do it, or say it.
     
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    True. Or honesty. But out of curiosity, who did?
     
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    @Thuli

    LISTEN: God is not an entity. Okay?
    Why refer to Him as a He? He has no name. No pronoun. That confuses your definition of God.

    That is point on. God is not made up of anything, everything IS made out of God.
    Panthiesm? They are the same. If everything is made up of God that means God IS everything. As such, He is made upnof what He is.

    God is alpha and omega, quite literally.
    Which means? If He is everything and not an entity, is everything the Alpha wnd Omega?

    There is no "is". God is not made up of anything, that's why he can become anything.
    Now thats confusing. He can become something He is not made up of? Who is He in this statement if not everything? What makes God, God to you if He "is" not anything?

    There are no barriers for him.
    Being "He" is the Alpha and Omega, true. That only explains His characteristics. How do you put adjectives on something if there is no noun?

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    It sounds like backwards pantheism.
     
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    Another force did it. It might be a person, an animal or the weather. It might be gravity that did it. Or fire. Weapons are not God's invention.
     
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